Kansas City vs. Louisville vs. Omaha vs. Pittsburgh vs. Columbus vs. STL (living, people)

[Gaylord_Focker]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

Pittsburgh's a small town to me, kiddo. I'm from a place with far more "intelligence, architecture, history, and real urban structure" than Pittsburgh has ever or will ever know.

And, yes, I find any strip mall to be far more appealing than a court house or a cemetery. I frankly don't know how anyone could reason otherwise.

strip malls?

[Smyle12]

I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer.

[Caesarstl]

Originally Posted by Smyle12

I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer.

Lol, because you seem so unbiased... At least try and not look like a troll dude...

[STLgasm]

Originally Posted by Smyle12

I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer.

Don't let the door hit you!

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by Smyle12

I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer. I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer. I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer. I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer. I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer. I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer.

AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

[LordHomunculus]

hahaha

[ForYourLungsOnly]

I probably answered this sometime ago, but I'll go ahead and do it again anyway because I somehow got this odd little "break" for two days from class and OR time.

Out of those I have been to

1. Pittsburgh
2. Kansas City (recently spent time there after driving across the country. Better than I thought!)
3. St. Louis
4. Columbus

Have not been to Louisville or Omaha aside from driving through them.

I should mention that I like all of the cities I have been to out of these, and have had great times in all of them.

[Tiger Beer]

Originally Posted by Smyle12

I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer.

Definitely use paragraphs.

That's unreadable.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by Smyle12

I just got back from Louisville with my girlfriend. It was our first time in the city or the state and it was for a surprise Valentine's weekend visit. We had car trouble, so we didn't get to experience as much of the city as we wanted, but we both thought it seemed like a friendly, quirky, artsy place and the tiny shop across from our Bn'B that worked on my Audi "Bill's Transmissions" (they aren't even on the Web) was out of this world! :-) We will surely be back! I wanted to warn you away from any thought of Saint Louis, however. I've lived in both KC and Saint Louis, and they are radically different. I've been in Saint Louis for six months now, and CANNOT WAIT to get back to KC. It Saint Louis were a cook, it would burn water. It was a once-great city that is now (IMO) just waiting to die. STL is on the brink of losing the NFL's Rams, which (as our national pastime) is a prime illustration of the lack of sensical urban planning, financing, and civic policy in this decrepit, segregated, and very racist, place. Then there's Ball Park Village which was to be $650 million mixed use "acropolis" next to Busch stadium and to help rejuvenate and reclaim the culturally moribund downtown here. For eight years, nothing but dirt has graced the vacant acreage in left field. Finally, this spring, due to the sluggish STL economy and the flight of its population to cities with less rampant violent crime, governmentally sanctioned and self-imposed racial segregation, and more thriving, diverse, cultural and intellectual meccas, a down-sized version of Ball Park Village (costing just $100 million) and called "Phase One" is scheduled to open. It will feature among more tasteful and modern amenities, a Pabst Blue Ribbon themed restaurant and bar complete with... wait for it... waiiiit for it... a mechanical bull. Nothing gets done here, and when it does, it's shoddy, half-assed and free of any touch of post modernity. The skyline is a total eye-sore as skylines go, sans the beautiful Arch, and the renovations to the grounds which were supposed to have been complete by fall of 2015 celebration of the monument's 50th anniversary have, guess what? Been delayed a mere... 14 months. Watch "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth" and you will understand what living In the city of Saint Louis is truly like. I can assure you, that after more than 40 years, NOTHING about this city has changed. NOTHING!!! It's a gussied-up sad, forlorn, and depressing place... Oh, but it does have a winning team in the 20th century's national past-time, and for Saint Louis, THAT, apparently is ALL THAT MATTERS. Really, the Cardinal's are the sole thing that this town believes in, and rightfully so, as everything else this city has touched since 1950 has turned into utter crap. At first I didn't understand why everyone here is so internally bitter, pessimistic and cynical. I get it now. Read about the history of Saint Louis and its ultimately tragic, hubris-filled, 19th century decision to annex itself from Saint Louis county and exist independently. It's a move that racist whites in the county won't allowed the city to rescind, as "it might lower property values and increase crime" in the 90+ now-dying towns, neighborhoods, and suburbs that any ordinary person might assume were part of the city. They're NOT. Drive a mile and you're in another "village", be it blighted ghetto or ritzy, upper class, sprawling mansions. Move to Kansas City. I can't say enough good things about that little oasis on the plains. KC has its stuff together. Bumbling, crime-addled, racist, Saint Louis will never come to terms... with itself. Not in our lifetimes anyway. My girlfriend and I are joining the hundreds of thousands of before us, and fleeing this God-forsaken city for Kansas City or perhaps, a new town (Louisville perhaps), depending upon where I decide to attend school. Move to Kansas City. It's a seriously spectacular and affordable little city with big ideas, a bigger heart, and a myriad of wonderful things to offer.

Dude! the only reason I tried to read this was because I wanted to see what you had to say. But seriously, that was difficult to read and I couldn't even figure out a way to break it up properly because the sentences just run on.

KC and StL are both highly underrated metros in this country, and I mean highly underrated. Both are great metro areas that almost nobody knows about or they have terribly inaccurate images of them. KC's image is kansas stereotypes/country/rural/small/flat/tree less/boring while StL has an image of crime, rusbelt, smaller version of detroit/Southern and again people think its much smaller than it is.

Generally images of both cities are just so far off base it's not even funny.

Having said that, KC and StL equally have problems, especially when it comes to suburban sprawl and urban decay/abandonment and inner city crime. KC hides it better via stats (large geographic city limits), but they are equally struggling although slowly coming around in some areas.

But when you look at the big picture, overall quality of life, big city amenities/culture, crime, traffic, economy affordability etc, both KC and StL are great metros to live in even though most people wouldn't give either a second look because they "think" they already know what they are like.

Here is my original quote:

Originally Posted by kcmo

Of the cities you chose, I would go with KC and Pittsburgh (pretty comparable metros IMO). Columbus is ok, but doesn't have quite the same large city vibe that KC and Pitts do and while Omaha and Des Moines are fine small metros, they are way too small for my liking.

I too would add St Louis to the mix.

So I still say Pittsburgh, Kansas City and St Louis out of those cities and I would probably choose StL over KC. I hate the Kansas side of KC that much and don't want to live in or even interact with the Kansas suburbs of KC. At least if you live in the StL burbs, you still are "from St Louis" and not just Missouri. But it would come down to the job offers of each to really choose between those three cities.

If it were the same job offer, I would choose them in this order:
Pittsburgh
St Louis
Kansas City

All are great cities though.

[EclecticEars]

Columbus is bland. Pittsburgh seems like it's having a remarkable comeback, but I'm not interested in living in that region of the country. Omaha seems bland. I've heard that Kansas City has some very rude and insular people like where I've lived previously, Louisville, so that doesn't interest me.

The city of the six that somewhat interests me is St. Louis.