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I am way too tired to discuss water issues right not, but I'd like to ask you, what do you propose to do? Do you, like some of the "natives" want to keep people out? When did you live in Denver that you know so much about it? What do you know about landscaping here?
I haven't lived in Denver, but know plenty of people who do and have some familiarity with the area. I just don't think the western states have enough water supply long-term to support higher population densities that are common in eastern states that have a much greater water supply. The state of Nevada is probably already hitting the limit it can support in the desert environs there with Lake Mead reservior continuing to fall and future adequate supplies in question from the Colorado river. I'm not terribly optimistic about the situation there a few decades from now whereas the Colorado situation is murkier.
I thought this was Pittsburgh vs. Kansas City, not Pittsburgh vs. Greeley CO.
I won't be so ignorant to say that Pittsburgh knocks down KC in every aspect as there is no such place that is perfect(although San Diego comes close lol.) One positive that Pittsburgh possesses over KC is its proximity to larger cities as well as the Great Lakes and the Atlantic. As to the previously discusses level of "redneckery", it is not the overwhelming feel of Pittsburgh, and correct me if I am wrong but I would be surprised to see it prevail in Kansas City. You'll find more of the hunting/fishing/mudding crowd once you get past the exurbs (i.e., Fayette, parts of Westmoreland, Southern Washington counties etc..) Not to say that they don't exist in the city, but I fail to see it as the prevailing attitude of those in the region (i.e., most people care more about football/hockey than they do hunting or Nascar.) I think that the OP could find happiness in either of the cities, and it will be the little things that will make the difference (such as enjoying one job over the other, or preferring the location of one city over the other, or whether or not the OP enjoys the climate of KC over the climate of Pgh or vice-versa.) Anyways, best of luck and I wish you well wherever you chose to relocate to
When I lived in Colorado there were a ton of people out there like this guy who were from Pittsburgh. I ran into them all the time. Majority of the time was when I went to a "Steeler Bar" on Sundays. They attract yinzers who left when the steel industry was collapsing and they went searching for greener pastures. A lot of them are the old school yinzers; poorly educated and they go get drunk on Sunday waving some yellow towel at their local bar re-enforcing the stereotype that Pittsburghers are all drunk hicks. They all rant and rave about how much Colorado is better than the hell hole they came from. They blabber about sunshine on a consistent basis, and they loathe the built urban environment they came from back east, but yet they always root for the Steelers........ They haven't been back to Pittsburgh anytime recent, and are not part of the major change this city has seen in the last 20 years. If anything they help press the old stereotypes of Pittsburgh and yinzers thousands of miles away to people in other cities.
I've never understood this. If you hate the city you have no right to wear it's colors.
I haven't lived in Denver, but know plenty of people who do and have some familiarity with the area. I just don't think the western states have enough water supply long-term to support higher population densities that are common in eastern states that have a much greater water supply. The state of Nevada is probably already hitting the limit it can support in the desert environs there with Lake Mead reservior continuing to fall and future adequate supplies in question from the Colorado river. I'm not terribly optimistic about the situation there a few decades from now whereas the Colorado situation is murkier.
WHAT do you propose to do about it? Please say what you would do about this population growth? How do you propose to control it?
I have lived in the metro Denver area for 33 years. I've heard this "sky is falling" baloney for 33 years. It hasn't fallen yet. That's not to say we should stick our heads in the sand. But the more people yap about the sky falling, or the reservoirs drying up w/o any evidence that this is happening, the less cred they have.
WHAT do you propose to do about it? Please say what you would do about this population growth? How do you propose to control it?
I have lived in the metro Denver area for 33 years. I've heard this "sky is falling" baloney for 33 years. It hasn't fallen yet. That's not to say we should stick our heads in the sand. But the more people yap about the sky falling, or the reservoirs drying up w/o any evidence that this is happening, the less cred they have.
Water management and conservation will be key in the next few decades. In our lifetime, there shouldn't be a problem...the future needs to be planned for.
When I lived in Colorado there were a ton of people out there like this guy who were from Pittsburgh. I ran into them all the time. Majority of the time was when I went to a "Steeler Bar" on Sundays. They attract yinzers who left when the steel industry was collapsing and they went searching for greener pastures. A lot of them are the old school yinzers; poorly educated and they go get drunk on Sunday waving some yellow towel at their local bar re-enforcing the stereotype that Pittsburghers are all drunk hicks. They all rant and rave about how much Colorado is better than the hell hole they came from. They blabber about sunshine on a consistent basis, and they loathe the built urban environment they came from back east, but yet they always root for the Steelers........ They haven't been back to Pittsburgh anytime recent, and are not part of the major change this city has seen in the last 20 years. If anything they help press the old stereotypes of Pittsburgh and yinzers thousands of miles away to people in other cities.
I'm an ex-Pittsburgher living in SEC country, and I do my best to be an ambassador for the city. I wear a Steelers jersey and a hard hat on football Sundays, and I wave my Terrible Towels as well, but I've never been a big drinker. A tall one of Yuengling is enough for me on game days. I don't rub the Steelers' post-merger success in anybody's faces unless I'm dealing with some jackass who claims that they're "undeserving" of it (there are some people who believe this, sadly), and even then, they'd have to provoke it. I don't fire first; I fire last. I also try to pay attention to other teams just to be aware of what's going on, though it's hard to do sometimes. The idiocy of the yinzers has not gone unnoticed by others. There's a Lions fan I see at the local sports bar, and last November he said to me, "Honestly, you're the only cool Steelers fan I know. The rest of them are *******s." I empathized with him.
And you're not the only one who's noticed, or is disturbed by, the fact that transplanted yinzers love the Steelers but hate the city. It makes no sense to me. Quite frankly, I think it's stupid as hell. I bet they also love the Penguins when they're good, and hate the Pirates. You're spot-on about them. They've had nothing to do with the city's transformation in the last 20 years, but they're self-centered enough to believe that it can't possibly have become a better place without them. It's no coincidence that yinzer culture in Pittsburgh was at its zenith during the decades when the city had its least to offer. It's been slowly dying off since 2000, though. And for as badass as they fancy themselves to be, they look anything but when they complain about cloudy weather. A hardy people they really are not.
There's a difference between a Pittsburgher and a yinzer. A Pittsburgher is a good ambassador for the city and appreciates everything it has to offer. A yinzer is a poor ambassador and only appreciates the Steelers and Penguins (when they win). By the way, this article does a wonderful job of illustrating the differences between "old Pittsburgh" and "new Pittsburgh," and comes to the (correct) conclusion that the "blue-collar" ethos of the Steelers only survives through the transplanted yinzers in other cities.
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Originally Posted by bradjl2009
I've never understood this. If you hate the city you have no right to wear it's colors.
When I lived in Colorado there were a ton of people out there like this guy who were from Pittsburgh. I ran into them all the time. Majority of the time was when I went to a "Steeler Bar" on Sundays. They attract yinzers who left when the steel industry was collapsing and they went searching for greener pastures. A lot of them are the old school yinzers; poorly educated and they go get drunk on Sunday waving some yellow towel at their local bar re-enforcing the stereotype that Pittsburghers are all drunk hicks. They all rant and rave about how much Colorado is better than the hell hole they came from. They blabber about sunshine on a consistent basis, and they loathe the built urban environment they came from back east, but yet they always root for the Steelers........ They haven't been back to Pittsburgh anytime recent, and are not part of the major change this city has seen in the last 20 years. If anything they help press the old stereotypes of Pittsburgh and yinzers thousands of miles away to people in other cities.
Well from my experiences in real life and on the internet I can second that. Too many southern weather cheerleaders happen to be totally inconsiderate imbeciles that think the whole world is dying to live in the burning hot sun.
I moved to Pittsburgh in 2010. I'm 26 now. I lean left politically, lead an active lifestyle, and am a social extrovert. I've found Pittsburgh to be the best place I've ever lived for young professionals. The area I grew up in (Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA) had a noticeable dearth of young professionals. The area I moved here from (Northern Virginia) had so many young professionals living like rats in a cage that many became competitive, cutthroat, and narcissistic, even in what SHOULD have been low-key social outings. Pittsburgh has been just right for me.
I'm never bored here. The weather here is just fine. We can have six inches of snow on the ground on Christmas Day. It could be 95 degrees on July 4 (it was just 91 here the other day, actually). I count partly cloudy days as still being "nice" days. Variety is the spice of life!
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