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Old 04-29-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Originally Posted by costello_musicman View Post
Dude...

Cleveland-Akron-Canton-Youngstown-Sandusky = 4.5 million
Indianapolis = 2 million

Why would a team be relocated to a media market half the size??

And...yeah I'm done.
lol media market?
Indianapolis is bigger than a 2 million media market i can guarentee that.
post the offical numbers and well go from there.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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http://www.tvb.org/media/file/TVB_Ma...DMA_Ranks2.pdf

TV households (not population, folks):

18 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) - 1,485,140
26 Indianapolis - 1,089,700
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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From sheer population:

20-counties of NE Ohio -- 4.5 million Northeast Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cleveland -- 3.5 million CSA
Central Indiana -- 2.3 million CSA List of Combined Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plus Indians fans dip into Columbus and Toledo a bit too.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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Now if the Cleveland Indians move then they should come to Indianapolis for a couple reasons.
One the city doesnt have a MLB baseball franchise. We have the AAA Indianapolis Indians at victory field but in a way its not exactly the same as a MLB team. Plus the current team is allied with the pittsburgh pirates so if we were to drop that the Cleveland Indians would be appropiate as no name change would be needed.
Plus they can expand victory field too.
Not 100% sure though that the community would be in favor of that. We do have major league soccer coming next year and maybe hockey too.
lol, what level hockey?
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:48 PM
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Location: Fort Worth
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Austin and San Antonio deserve an MLB team. The stadium can be in San Antonio but will still draw Austin natives. The two have a combined population of around 4 million. Charlotte is too country to have an MLB team. Charlotte can stick with AAA!
This has been discussed several times before. It's gonna be a while before San Antonio (certainly not Austin since they don't want major pro teams) gets big league baseball.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:01 PM
 
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Now if the Cleveland Indians move then they should come to Indianapolis for a couple reasons.
One the city doesnt have a MLB baseball franchise. We have the AAA Indianapolis Indians at victory field but in a way its not exactly the same as a MLB team. Plus the current team is allied with the pittsburgh pirates so if we were to drop that the Cleveland Indians would be appropiate as no name change would be needed.
Plus they can expand victory field too.
Not 100% sure though that the community would be in favor of that. We do have major league soccer coming next year and maybe hockey too.
This belies a serious ignorance of how MLB operates. No way, no how, is major league baseball coming to a city that would rank among the smallest media markets in the league, sandwiched in between the broadcasting right regions of popular, established franchises like Cincinnati, Detroit, and both Chicago teams. No way, no how are the Indians moving anywhere away from Progressive Field anytime soon. No way, no how would owners from other markets vote to lose the revenue sharing opportunities that a merchandising GIANT like the Cleveland Indians bring in.

This is a significantly different ballgame (pun intended) than minor league hockey or soccer (no, the NASL is NOT the major leagues of soccer). For one thing, you need a 40,000+ seat stadium (Victory Field currently seats 14,000 with the lawn), with all the bells and whistles: box suites, media suites, luxury suites, wider concourses, more concessions, parking and transit infrastructure, etc. Victory cost $29 million in 2013 money. A new baseball stadium would run $300 million, conservatively, and probably closer to half-a-billion. Good luck getting Indianapolis tax payers, Marion County tax payers, or Indiana tax payers to swallow that pill.

This all goes without mentioning: you decry the high taxes of places like Illinois and attack them for what you see as wasteful, liberal tax policies, and yet.....you think investing in a major league baseball franchise in a city that can ever realistically hope to nibble a small piece out of the broadcasting right regions of established, existing franchises, in a metropolitan area that would be among the smallest-- if not the smallest-- in the league, is a good idea???
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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It's called relocation.
Right. Again, in 15 - 20 years.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:15 AM
 
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Now if the Cleveland Indians move then they should come to Indianapolis for a couple reasons.
One the city doesnt have a MLB baseball franchise. We have the AAA Indianapolis Indians at victory field but in a way its not exactly the same as a MLB team. Plus the current team is allied with the pittsburgh pirates so if we were to drop that the Cleveland Indians would be appropiate as no name change would be needed.
Plus they can expand victory field too.
Not 100% sure though that the community would be in favor of that. We do have major league soccer coming next year and maybe hockey too.
I am going to assume you are talking about minor league hockey. Also, the MLS is going to give Indy an expansion team?
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:54 AM
 
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I am going to assume you are talking about minor league hockey. Also, the MLS is going to give Indy an expansion team?
He's grossly mistaken, minor league soccer coming, not MLS plus talks to bring in a different Hockey league (one of the official minors), don't know if the Ice would then turn into that team or if it would be competition for them. No one knows at this point. BRG isn't an Indianapolis resident so doesn't have all of the facts. MLB wouldn't be a good fit being Indianapolis is within the Reds broadcast network and there's some die hard reds fans here since the Indians have been affiliated with the Reds more than any other big league team 3-1 in time so more reds fans in Indianapolis than any other team as the people grew up listening and watching the Reds play. Will never fly, too close to the Chicago and Cincy markets. That would be like putting MLB in Columbus, Indians and Reds wouldn't have that AT ALL.

There's population, radio media market, television media market and then team media market with team media market usually being the largest of the markets. For example, the Cards Media extends as far East as Evansville which is 4 hours from STL. Indians Market goes as far east as the PA border, Tigers Market should extend down into Toledo as the cities are very close to each other and cross over towards Fort Wayne. Cubs as far east as South Bend and etc.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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This belies a serious ignorance of how MLB operates. No way, no how, is major league baseball coming to a city that would rank among the smallest media markets in the league, sandwiched in between the broadcasting right regions of popular, established franchises like Cincinnati, Detroit, and both Chicago teams. No way, no how are the Indians moving anywhere away from Progressive Field anytime soon. No way, no how would owners from other markets vote to lose the revenue sharing opportunities that a merchandising GIANT like the Cleveland Indians bring in.

This is a significantly different ballgame (pun intended) than minor league hockey or soccer (no, the NASL is NOT the major leagues of soccer). For one thing, you need a 40,000+ seat stadium (Victory Field currently seats 14,000 with the lawn), with all the bells and whistles: box suites, media suites, luxury suites, wider concourses, more concessions, parking and transit infrastructure, etc. Victory cost $29 million in 2013 money. A new baseball stadium would run $300 million, conservatively, and probably closer to half-a-billion. Good luck getting Indianapolis tax payers, Marion County tax payers, or Indiana tax payers to swallow that pill.

This all goes without mentioning: you decry the high taxes of places like Illinois and attack them for what you see as wasteful, liberal tax policies, and yet.....you think investing in a major league baseball franchise in a city that can ever realistically hope to nibble a small piece out of the broadcasting right regions of established, existing franchises, in a metropolitan area that would be among the smallest-- if not the smallest-- in the league, is a good idea???
So few people understand the economics of MLB. It's good to see others that do .
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