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And to be fair, even though Case is a superb university, Wash U is in a slightly higher tier. And not forgetting SLU is better than whatever Cleveland's second university is by quite a long shot
The lists of festivals and cultural amenities are meaningless, because either city can spew off a gazillion things. St. Louis is stronger in some, and Cleveland is stronger in others. Pound for pound, they are very comparable cities, although I think most would agree that St. Louis has a lot more charm and its city neighborhoods have more character and history.
Not true.
The evidence of strong cultural amenities is a sign of economic strength because the amenities are mainly subsidized by private individuals and foundations and, if they/the area are struggling, the culture wouldn't be so strong...
Also, in NO WAY am I putting down St. Louis' culture ... it is VERY STRONG. It's hard not to be, being an old-line major city with an amazing university (Wash U), home to the oldest and largest American botanical gardens (the Missouri BGs), home to Ragtime pioneer Scott Joplin, home of the 1st American steamship, etc... I'm just saying, it's hard for any city, even the largest in this nation, to top Cleveland's cultural strength and prominence.
And to be fair, even though Case is a superb university, Wash U is in a slightly higher tier. And not forgetting SLU is better than whatever Cleveland's second university is by quite a long shot
True, ... but does St. Louis have an LAC with the historical/cultural prominence and importance of Oberlin? I think not. When it comes to comparing the overall higher educational institutions of the 2 cities, it's a push.
I really hate when people use the 2.1M population figure for Cleveland....it's very inaccurate. I live here and can tell you that Cleveland feels solidly like a 3M person metro, perhaps a shade or two below, at most. I'm not sure exactly why that is, as I know that Cleveland grew FAST in the late 1800's and early 1900's (contributing to its great urban bones) but Akron's presence must give Cleveland that 3M distinction. You'd know what I mean if you've been to Cleveland and other 2M cities.....Cleveland feels much larger. Columbus, for example, is almost exactly 2.1M and it does not feel or look as big as Cleveland. Weird how that works!
You are dead on Min-Chi-Cbus... Akron is a metro area of 700 or 800,000, and only 35 miles from Public Square, but for some reason, it has been historically cut out of Cleveland's metro area. Originally they said it had to do with the small percentage of Akronites who commute into greater Cleveland for employment. However, I think that has changed in the last several decades and, in fact, Akron METRO RTA has several bus routes that travel to Public Square, which is evidence of this fact....
The evidence of strong cultural amenities is a sign of economic strength because the amenities are mainly subsidized by private individuals and foundations and, if they/the area are struggling, the culture wouldn't be so strong...
Also, in NO WAY am I putting down St. Louis' culture ... it is VERY STRONG. It's hard not to be, being an old-line major city with an amazing university (Wash U), home to the oldest and largest American botanical gardens (the Missouri BGs), home to Ragtime pioneer Scott Joplin, home of the 1st American steamship, etc... I'm just saying, it's hard for any city, even the largest in this nation, to top Cleveland's cultural strength and prominence.
In terms of cultural amenities, it's like splitting hairs. Cleveland is a heavy hitter and so is St. Louis. This thread is bringing out the homerism in all of us. Neither side is going to admit inferiority, especially when we're talking about two classic underdog cities like St Louis and Cleveland.
You are dead on Min-Chi-Cbus... Akron is a metro area of 700 or 800,000, and only 35 miles from Public Square, but for some reason, it has been historically cut out of Cleveland's metro area. Originally they said it had to do with the small percentage of Akronites who commute into greater Cleveland for employment. However, I think that has changed in the last several decades and, in fact, Akron METRO RTA has several bus routes that travel to Public Square, which is evidence of this fact....
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Originally Posted by STLgasm
In terms of cultural amenities, it's like splitting hairs. Cleveland is a heavy hitter and so is St. Louis. This thread is bringing out the homerism in all of us. Neither side is going to admit inferiority, especially when we're talking about two classic underdog cities like St Louis and Cleveland.
See believe prof, think I made a mistake so my apologies.
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The US Census Bureau number, which I've already stated more than once, as of July 1, 2012, places the Cleveland MSA at 2,063,535. This number includes Akron, Canton, Elyria, etc.
False. The Cleveland MSA is defined as only five counties: Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain and Medina.
False. The Cleveland MSA is defined as only five counties: Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain and Medina.
29 Cleveland-Elyria, OH Metropolitan Statistical Area 2,063,535 2,077,240 −0.66% Encompassing: Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH Combined Statistical Area
I think I'm misreading this then, Summit, Portage, and Ashtabula are not in Clevelands MSA, and the encompassing noted is for that Cleveland's MSA is in the same CSA, not that Cleveland's MSA encopasses the others, Is this correct?
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