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...Downtown Cleveland, at about 12,000 downtown residents, has more people living downtown than any Midwestern city outside of Chicago (and that's not even counting the popular and trendy Ohio City neighborhood which is within walking distance, just over the Cuyahoga River from downtown....
Not quite... In 2012, Cincinnati's more compact downtown was estimated at app. 13,500 residents, and growing since. (And what about Minneapolis and St. Louis?)
I like your optimism concerning Detroit, I honestly do; however, Cleveland's future is already very, very
bright. Over $9 BILLION in development on the books right now and it gets larger and larger almost daily as new announcements are made regarding major projects underway or in the works.
Cleveland is "light years ahead of Detroit" - both have suffered tremendous losses of industry and population; however, Cleveland has emerged in a much better position than Detroit has.
Cleveland is not bringing in new jobs, which is the problem. When the economy went down in Detroit in 2008/9, I did not hear any unemployed Detroiters moving to Cleveland for jobs. I still don't.
Cleveland is not bringing in new jobs, which is the problem. When the economy went down in Detroit in 2008/9, I did not hear any unemployed Detroiters moving to Cleveland for jobs. I still don't.
Name one big cuty that added tons of jobs during the recession? Cleveland is holding its own, and actually, I know of several Detroiters who have moved to Cleveland for jobs. Though i dont have any evidence that this is happening at a statistically significant level, I would wager that Cleveland is one of the more popular cities for Detroiters to move to.
Name one big cuty that added tons of jobs during the recession? Cleveland is holding its own, and actually, I know of several Detroiters who have moved to Cleveland for jobs. Though i dont have any evidence that this is happening at a statistically significant level, I would wager that Cleveland is one of the more popular cities for Detroiters to move to.
no, most Detroiters moved to Atlanta, South Carolina, Dallas or Houston etc (other southern cities) and for the whole Metro I'd say Chicago is a main destination for Detroiters. Cleveland is precieved to be in the same situation as to Detroit when it comes to jobs.
I like your optimism concerning Detroit, I honestly do; however, Cleveland's future is already very, very
bright. Over $9 BILLION in development on the books right now and it gets larger and larger almost daily as new announcements are made regarding major projects underway or in the works.
Cleveland is "light years ahead of Detroit" - both have suffered tremendous losses of industry and population; however, Cleveland has emerged in a much better position than Detroit has.
You know what. I really don't like when Clevelanders boost Cleveland to be "light years ahead" of anybody. Including Detroit. Truth is yes Cleveland has come a long way BUT still suffer from a lot of the same issues. Cleveland has been been going through a "renaissance" for how long now? like 20+ years. 9 Billion over that length of time is understandable. But guess what? Billions have been invested in Detroit as well over only like 5 years (esp once DMC and Henry Ford finish with their 500 mil a piece expansions). And most of that money hasn't really been outside of the downtown area. Granted, Cleveland is much smaller than Detroit, but with that said shouldn't it be in better shape than it is? I mean its not even Pitstburgh level yet.
You know what. I really don't like when Clevelanders boost Cleveland to be "light years ahead" of anybody. Including Detroit. Truth is yes Cleveland has come a long way BUT still suffer from a lot of the same issues. Cleveland has been been going through a "renaissance" for how long now? like 20+ years. 9 Billion over that length of time is understandable. But guess what? Billions have been invested in Detroit as well over only like 5 years (esp once DMC and Henry Ford finish with their 500 mil a piece expansions). And most of that money hasn't really been outside of the downtown area. Granted, Cleveland is much smaller than Detroit, but with that said shouldn't it be in better shape than it is? I mean its not even Pitstburgh level yet.
I was not bashing Detroit. That $9 BILLION amount that I mentioned is money that has been spent on
major projects, development and infrastructure enhancements just in the last two to four years ... NOT OVER A TWENTY YEAR SPAN. $3 BILLION ALONE IS BEING SPENT JUST ON PROJECTS IN THE CITY CENTER OF CLEVELAND ... ADD TO THIS STAGGERING AMOUNT ANOTHER $16 MILLION OF ENHANCEMENTS TO PLAYHOUSE SQUARE ( 2ND LARGEST THEATER DISTRICT IN THE WORLD - ONLY BROADWAY IN NYC IS LARGER ). JUST THIS WEEK IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT AN ADDITIONAL $360 MILLION WILL BE SPENT TO TRANSFORM OUR PUBLIC SQUARE INTO A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY PARK IN THE HEART OF THE CITY. ALSO INCLUDED ... A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TO CONNECT DOWNTOWN HOTELS, THE CASINO, NEW CONVENTION CENTER AND THE CENTER FOR GLOBAL HEALTH INNOVATION ( MED MART ) TO THE LAKEFRONT AREA WHERE FIRST ENERGY FIELD ( CLE BROWNS STADIUM ), ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME MUSEUM AND THE GREAT LAKES SCIENCE CENTER ARE LOCATED.
A twenty story 600+ signature hotel will also be built to adjoin the new convention center. I'm sorry, I know people in Detroit who are advocates for their city, they're the first to admit that Cleveland is indeed "light years" ahead of any progress happening in Detroit. The state of Michigan and the city of Detroit have been grossly mismanaged, as a result one of Americas proudest and most iconic cities continues to decline at an accelerated rate. Don't misunderstand me, I like Detroit for its proud legacies and for some of its amenities ... however, it is a city that is in need of the same type of miracle that is presently transforming Cleveland in BIG, BIG ways.
I was not bashing Detroit. That $9 BILLION amount that I mentioned is money that has been spent on
major projects, development and infrastructure enhancements just in the last two to four years ... NOT OVER A TWENTY YEAR SPAN. $3 BILLION ALONE IS BEING SPENT JUST ON PROJECTS IN THE CITY CENTER OF CLEVELAND ... ADD TO THIS STAGGERING AMOUNT ANOTHER $16 MILLION OF ENHANCEMENTS TO PLAYHOUSE SQUARE ( 2ND LARGEST THEATER DISTRICT IN THE WORLD - ONLY BROADWAY IN NYC IS LARGER ). JUST THIS WEEK IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT AN ADDITIONAL $360 MILLION WILL BE SPENT TO TRANSFORM OUR PUBLIC SQUARE INTO A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY PARK IN THE HEART OF THE CITY. ALSO INCLUDED ... A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TO CONNECT DOWNTOWN HOTELS, THE CASINO, NEW CONVENTION CENTER AND THE CENTER FOR GLOBAL HEALTH INNOVATION ( MED MART ) TO THE LAKEFRONT AREA WHERE FIRST ENERGY FIELD ( CLE BROWNS STADIUM ), ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME MUSEUM AND THE GREAT LAKES SCIENCE CENTER ARE LOCATED.
Big deal. Cincinnati is building a cute little streetcar to go around in circles in downtown Cincy. The jobs in Cleveland are mostly outside of downtown, so few locals will actually benefit from any of this.
And Cleveland is celebrating a new casino. Detroit has had 3 for over 10 years.
no, most Detroiters moved to Atlanta, South Carolina, Dallas or Houston etc (other southern cities) and for the whole Metro I'd say Chicago is a main destination for Detroiters. Cleveland is precieved to be in the same situation as to Detroit when it comes to jobs.
I know more Clevelanders who moved to Detroit for jobs vs. the other way around.
Big deal. Cincinnati is building a cute little streetcar to go around in circles in downtown Cincy. The jobs in Cleveland are mostly outside of downtown, so few locals will actually benefit from any of this.
And Cleveland is celebrating a new casino. Detroit has had 3 for over 10 years.
It is indeed a very BIG DEAL, thanks for pointing that out again! In Cleveland, we're not just celebrating our classy casino, we're celebrating the fact that we've become a POWERHOUSE CITY when it comes to the medical arts and healthcare. Our long neglected waterfront area is coming alive as major development projects are being built and others are planned in the immediate future.
I don't know anything at all about a cutesy streetcar in Cincinnati, so I can't comment on that.
Can't find numbers for Milwaukee but Cleveland has 24 and Detroit has 37.
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Thing with Detroit is what will be it's hub status with Chicago and Toronto via the high speed rail etc. Milwaukee and Cleveland can only dream of having such a location. The first intercontinental highway ( I 69 ) will run through Michigan not far from Detroit. That will be huge in terms of potential growth etc. The state of MI was just awarded 100 million to basically get rid of all the blight in Detroit etc. That will leave a ton open for new development in the years ahead. Detroits future is very bright.
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In Cleveland, we're not just celebrating our classy casino, we're celebrating the fact that we've become a POWERHOUSE CITY when it comes to the medical arts and healthcare. Our long neglected waterfront area is coming alive as major development projects are being built and others are planned in the immediate future.
