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The irony of course is "Cows and Beer" is a reference to a seminal band that whizzed over everyone's head (except a guy from MN on another thread). It was used by them because everywhere they toured ignorant folks (like the guy above) said "Wisconsin, isn't that just cows and beers?" I like Cleveland and I think it's definitely underrated by most. However, it really is a more run-down Milwaukee lacking additional amenities. Remember, we're comparing Milw/Clev/Cincy here?
The thing is, I've written about music professionally. I've toured in bands. I've booked tours internationally. I'm very well-connected with the arts scene, and have been for close to 30 years. Ballet, 3rd run Broadway plays and classical music are not modern "arts," they are what your grandmother can accept as "arts." Every metro in the Midwest has a variation of the theatre, orchestra, etc. Real, cutting edge arts (what is happening now) vary city-to-city vastly. Cleveland and Cincy simply do not compare with Columbus today (or for the past few decades), and I would know, since I've been booking bands and installations for a couple decades now and this is the kind of information I have to possess.
Not one of you from Ohio has displayed that you've ever been to Milwaukee in your lives, yet you're calling me (someone who has spent time in each of these cities) clueless. Until I see competent information from someone who clearly has been to these three cities, everything said is completely irrelevant.
So timeless artwork that's been respected for hundreds of years is my grandmother's artwork? I guess there's no point going to Europe then. Also, who said our plays were third run? We got plays like Next to Normal, which only came to a few cities besides New York. We're having a run of the Book of Mormon right now. We are very well respected by the theater community. Tom Hanks got his start here at a local theater company that he now contributes money to. Okay, well I guess all of us are too uncultured to communicate with the likes of you, I guess we should just stick to our plebeian hell-holes while you live it up in bohemian society.
The irony of course is "Cows and Beer" is a reference to a seminal band that whizzed over everyone's head (except a guy from MN on another thread). It was used by them because everywhere they toured ignorant folks (like the guy above) said "Wisconsin, isn't that just cows and beers?" I like Cleveland and I think it's definitely underrated by most. However, it really is a more run-down Milwaukee lacking additional amenities. Remember, we're comparing Milw/Clev/Cincy here?
The thing is, I've written about music professionally. I've toured in bands. I've booked tours internationally. I'm very well-connected with the arts scene, and have been for close to 30 years. Ballet, 3rd run Broadway plays and classical music are not modern "arts," they are what your grandmother can accept as "arts." Every metro in the Midwest has a variation of the theatre, orchestra, etc. Real, cutting edge arts (what is happening now) vary city-to-city vastly. Cleveland and Cincy simply do not compare with Columbus today (or for the past few decades), and I would know, since I've been booking bands and installations for a couple decades now and this is the kind of information I have to possess.
Not one of you from Ohio has displayed that you've ever been to Milwaukee in your lives, yet you're calling me (someone who has spent time in each of these cities) clueless. Until I see competent information from someone who clearly has been to these three cities, everything said is completely irrelevant.
The irony of course is "Cows and Beer" is a reference to a seminal band that whizzed over everyone's head (except a guy from MN on another thread). It was used by them because everywhere they toured ignorant folks (like the guy above) said "Wisconsin, isn't that just cows and beers?" I like Cleveland and I think it's definitely underrated by most. However, it really is a more run-down Milwaukee lacking additional amenities. Remember, we're comparing Milw/Clev/Cincy here?
The thing is, I've written about music professionally. I've toured in bands. I've booked tours internationally. I'm very well-connected with the arts scene, and have been for close to 30 years. Ballet, 3rd run Broadway plays and classical music are not modern "arts," they are what your grandmother can accept as "arts." Every metro in the Midwest has a variation of the theatre, orchestra, etc. Real, cutting edge arts (what is happening now) vary city-to-city vastly. Cleveland and Cincy simply do not compare with Columbus today (or for the past few decades), and I would know, since I've been booking bands and installations for a couple decades now and this is the kind of information I have to possess.
Not one of you from Ohio has displayed that you've ever been to Milwaukee in your lives, yet you're calling me (someone who has spent time in each of these cities) clueless. Until I see competent information from someone who clearly has been to these three cities, everything said is completely irrelevant.
In terms of attracting younger generation rock concerts, alternative bands, and such columbus has completely surpassed Cincinnati. There are so many shows that only go to Columbus or Cleveland now. And in terms of smaller venue alternative rock Columbus is one of the metros to usually get some shows that will only go to a few cities in the midwest (like Detroit Chicago)
Yup. Cleveland isn't bad, like you said, bands do hit Cleveland. Cincy is generally skipped. This sort of thing happens in waves (especially in college cities), but Columbus has pretty consistently been a hotspot for many years.
Not even close...Cleveland. Just make sure you have a job first! Outside of Columbus, Ohio's economy is pretty bad.
Milwaukee really? Lol
Ohio's economy is not bad. Certain areas have bad economies in certain industries, but the overall state economy is doing better than the national average.
Ballet, 3rd run Broadway plays and classical music are not modern "arts," they are what your grandmother can accept as "arts."
This changes my perception of you dramatically. Based on other threads I thought you had a pretty nice grip on culture and worldliness...I'll just assume that you were recklessly trying to make a point.
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Originally Posted by CowsAndBeer
It was used by them because everywhere they toured ignorant folks (like the guy above) said "Wisconsin, isn't that just cows and beers?"
I thought it was cheese and beer!
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