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The Met opened in 1870, so I don't see how any of its collections could have formed in the early 19th Century, unless it was in another museum. The ROM opened in 1914, 40 years after the Met, but nearly 100-years-ago. Toronto was hardly a **** ant city by then.
I actually did a little more research and discovered that in 1870 when the Met opened, New York's estimated population was over 900,000. At the same time Toronto was at about 60,000. Fast-forward 30 years and Toronto's population had increased to 221,000 in 1901, and nearly 700,000 by the time the ROM opened. So Toronto was not exactly a "pisant" town when the ROM opened in 1914.
Sorry, that was pretty ambiguous. "... formed early in the 19th and early 20th century " was supposed to be distinct from "...formed early in the early 19th to the early 20th century." The first early was supposed to be applied to "in the 19th century and early 20th century" and not as in "early in the 19th century."
Those estimates were for given boundaries of the city at the time or retroactively applied area populations? The estimate for NYC is definitely pre-consolidation and was only Manhattan despite there being a very large twin city serving as a suburb (Brooklyn) and other linked developments adjacent (which is why you see a massive city population jump from 1890 to 1900). Were you figures for Toronto using present boundaries or just for the boundaries of the city at the time?
Pissant was a bit much. It probably would have been a mid-tier-ish city by the early or mid 1900s.
Sorry, that was pretty ambiguous. "... formed early in the 19th and early 20th century " was supposed to be distinct from "...formed early in the early 19th to the early 20th century." The first early was supposed to be applied to "in the 19th century and early 20th century" and not as in "early in the 19th century."
Those estimates were for given boundaries of the city at the time or retroactively applied area populations? The estimate for NYC is definitely pre-consolidation and was only Manhattan despite there being a very large twin city serving as a suburb (Brooklyn) and other linked developments adjacent (which is why you see a massive city population jump from 1890 to 1900). Were you figures for Toronto using present boundaries or just for the boundaries of the city at the time?
Pissant was a bit much. It probably would have been a mid-tier-ish city by the early or mid 1900s.
My population numbers were for the Old City of Toronto. A lot of people don't realize that New York and Toronto went through their boom times at almost the same time. Of course, New York grew much larger in a much shorter period of time for a number of reasons. Regardless, New York - like Toronto - was a fairly small city in the early 19th Century, but it grew to an impressive 900,000 by 1870. At the same time New York was pushing 1,000,000 residents, Toronto was beginning its boom years and would gain nearly 600,000 residents in the next 40 years. By 1920, Toronto's population was a respectable three-quarters-of-a-million crammed into an area smaller than Manhattan.
Many people have this idea that Toronto is a new city like Dallas or Phoenix, but it's only three years younger than Chicago, having been incorporated in 1837. But the built form of present-day New York and the built form of present-day old-Toronto were moulded around the same time - from the Late Victorian period up until the start of the First World War. The architecture is different, but most of New York's buildings date from the same period as much of Toronto's buildings - at least outside the core where they weren't torn down. Of course, when people look at Toronto's modern downtown, they think that the whole city must be like that, but our current downtown was mostly built in the 1970's after the original, much older downtown was levelled and turned into parking lots. Even then, you don't have to go far to find 100+ year-old buildings in the downtown, and most central TO neighbourhoods have architecture that is predominately 100+ years-old as well. In New York, they call them pre-wars, but in TO they are usually referred to as Georgian, Victorian, or Edwardian, depending on the style and date of construction. There are thousands of Victorian homes in Old Toronto, and probably double as many Edwardians.
My point is that New York may be an "old" city, but its growth only really took off a couple generations before Toronto's. Both cities experienced their biggest boom years in the late 19th / early 20th Centuries, and the character of the built urban form in each city reflects that. Unfortunately, both cities have lost some of their heritage to "urban renewal", and Toronto in particular has lost most of its old commercial core, which was like a mid-rise version of Lower Manhattan.
Well, Cali344, according to all the quality of life surveys, the obvious winner is Toronto...and NYC isn't even the first American city to appear on the list!
Well, Cali344, according to all the quality of life surveys, the obvious winner is Toronto...and NYC isn't even the first American city to appear on the list!
We should all move to Zurich or Vienna then, you know since all that matters is a QOL survey.
And New York's not!? Just buildings for miles and miles, no nature!! Central Park doesn't count! Garbage bags are everywhere and the place is filthy. Toronto has many trees, even on the rooftops, and Toronto Island.
NYC is ugly?
No nature in NYC?
I guess you haven't been there... and, no, NYC isn't filthy and ugly: granted, there are nasty neighbourhood, but also several beautiful, tidy ones.
As far as NYC vs Toronto, NYC hands down; Toronto is one of the least interesting cities I have ever seen.
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