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Mountains, Farms, Beaches, Bays, Lowlands (sandy ones), Swamps, Urban areas, Suburban areas, Old towns (similar development period in these)
Also both are higher income (urbanized areas), good schools, well educated, diverse, and both have some rural poor areas (Eastern Shore and Pinelands etc.), also both with burbs to two cities dominating the overall populace.
Not exact but close (MD has an appalachia aspect that I dont see in NJ but other than that they have many similarities)
By that standard, you could say that Ohio and New Jersey share the same similarities. Ohio has mountains (shares a border with WV and PA), beaches (along Lake Erie), swamps, urban areas, suburban areas, old towns, and poor areas.
I personally don't see many similarities among any of these states. Demographically, New Jersey is very Italian (Italians are actually a larger percentage of the population in Ohio than they are in Maryland). And Maryland, as you mentioned, has an Appalachian flavor to the west in places like Hagerstown and Frederick and a distinctly southern cultural flavor in places like La Plata, Waldorf and Lusby. Maryland also has a rural black population in Southern Maryland and along the Eastern Shore. That's not something that's found outside of the South.
From a built environment perspective, the "towns" surrounding major cities also look very different. The DC suburbs are dominated by new construction. That goes for Silver Spring outside of 495, the vast majority of Prince George's, Rockville, Fairfax, etc. That exists in Jersey too, but not nearly to the same extent. Much of suburban Maryland and Virginia looks like it was built in 1995. It looks more like the Atlanta region in this respect.
And as someone already mentioned, Maryland has "strong" counties. The concept of the "town" doesn't really exist there.
No, NOT true. Yes, for Hudson County, but that's a tiny little part of North Jersey and the part that borders the Hudson River only. Most of North Jersey is tree-lined suburbs, and the Northwestern part is mountainous and almost rural.
Northwestern NJ is not almost rural, it is 100% absolutely rural by pretty much anybody's definition.
It's not "crazy." You don't think Newark is more urban than Baltimore?
I would have assumed it's not, but never thought about it, nor spent time in either. Suburban South Jersey (and maybe newer parts of Central Jersey) did resemble suburban Baltimore and Maryland, much more so than Long Island. Newer with wider roads, and felt somewhat pedestrian hostile.
I personally don't see many similarities among any of these states. Demographically, New Jersey is very Italian (Italians are actually a larger percentage of the population in Ohio than they are in Maryland). And Maryland, as you mentioned, has an Appalachian flavor to the west in places like Hagerstown and Frederick and a distinctly southern cultural flavor in places like La Plata, Waldorf and Lusby. Maryland also has a rural black population in Southern Maryland and along the Eastern Shore. That's not something that's found outside of the South.
Huh. For some reason I associated the Baltimore area with a sizeable Italian population. Not a single Maryland county even shows up on the list:
Two counties in Western MA and many in upstate NY (including some really rural ones). Looks almost all of NJ made the list, as well as most of MA did. Interesting Manhattan didn't make the list (even though Suffolk, MA did which is about the same as Boston), while it'd be #2 or #3 by Jewish %.
From what I remember from driving down I-95, it started to feel noticeably more black once you got to Delaware. Though New Jersey has a large black population for New England standards, it's more of an urbanized population. In Delaware, you'd notice blacks in not very urban areas.
It isn't just Hudson County that is urban and tied to NYC.
Essex, Bergen, Passaic and Union Counties are all generally urban counties.
So we're talking five counties that are primarily urban in feel, rather than typical suburbia. Northern NJ is one of the densest and most urban parts of the U.S. and can compete with basically anywhere in the U.S. not named NYC.
Huh. For some reason I associated the Baltimore area with a sizeable Italian population. Not a single Maryland county even shows up on the list.
Well, "sizeable" depends on the person looking at it. As I said upthread, Italians comprise a larger percentage of the population in Ohio than in Maryland (with most being in the Cleveland area). So if you consider Baltimore's Italian population to be "sizeable," then you'd probably consider Cleveland's to be relatively large.
But you're right that Baltimore has (had) a noticeable Italian presence. But there are only faint traces of the Italian-American community there today ("faint" compared to NYC, Jersey and Philly). Much of Baltimore's character was also shaped by whites moving from Appalachia and the South.
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Interesting Manhattan didn't make the list (even though Suffolk, MA did which is about the same as Boston), while it'd be #2 or #3 by Jewish %.
I'm not surprised.
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From what I remember from driving down I-95, it started to feel noticeably more black once you got to Delaware. Though New Jersey has a large black population for New England standards, it's more of an urbanized population. In Delaware, you'd notice blacks in not very urban areas.
Never been south of Wilmington. But that doesn't surprise me.
Yup, New Jersey and Maryland are similar. But North Jersey is definitely faster-paced than anywhere in Maryland because it is part of the New York City metro area. New Jersey is the most densely populated state. Maryland is the 5th.
A lot of people don't seem to realize this, but New Jersey and Maryland are only 12 miles apart.
Yup, New Jersey and Maryland are similar. But North Jersey is definitely faster-paced than anywhere in Maryland because it is part of the New York City metro area.
A lot of people don't seem to realize this, but New Jersey and Maryland are only 12 miles apart.
Yet there's a world of difference between the two.
Two counties in Western MA and many in upstate NY (including some really rural ones). Looks almost all of NJ made the list, as well as most of MA did. Interesting Manhattan didn't make the list (even though Suffolk, MA did which is about the same as Boston), while it'd be #2 or #3 by Jewish %.
From what I remember from driving down I-95, it started to feel noticeably more black once you got to Delaware. Though New Jersey has a large black population for New England standards, it's more of an urbanized population. In Delaware, you'd notice blacks in not very urban areas.
Not really. Manhattan isn't a borough known for its Italian culture (at least not anymore, if it ever really was). You don't think 'Italian' when you hear 'Manhattan' like you would Brooklyn or Staten Island. The whole city has great Italian food but Little Italy is shrinking and becoming Chinatown, which is growing. I think Staten Island is the only borough where Italians are still going strong. Even Brooklyn is changing. Unless I missed it, it didn't even make the list.
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