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There are more Poles in NYC than in Chicago. This is true both comparing cities and metros.
What this has to do with the thread topic is beyond me, though.
The fact about Warsaw, Polish people, and Chicago was true in the 1930s. It's not true anymore even though there's many Polish people in Chicago still. That type of thing was also true of Czech people and Chicago back around that time - Chicago had more Czech people outside of Prague than any other world city at one point. According to a doorman of mine, who's originally from Poland, there's a number of younger Polish people in their 20s who are actually moving to Poland and reconnecting with extended family. So the US may continue to see a decline in Polish population for awhile apparently.
The fact about Warsaw, Polish people, and Chicago was true in the 1930s. It's not true anymore even though there's many Polish people in Chicago still. That type of thing was also true of Czech people and Chicago back around that time - Chicago had more Czech people outside of Prague than any other world city at one point. According to a doorman of mine, who's originally from Poland, there's a number of younger Polish people in their 20s who are actually moving to Poland and reconnecting with extended family. So the US may continue to see a decline in Polish population for awhile apparently.
Yeah, though Chicago still has a huge Polish population especially out Milwaukee Ave. and in the burbs. Among the biggest U.S. cities Chicago still definitely has the most obvious Polish "feel".
NYC has more in raw numbers, though, and has huge populations in parts of Brooklyn, Queens and Jersey (Greenpoint is traditional Polish center though nowadays more Ridgewood-Middle Village). I suspect that NYC gets more recent Polish immigrants too (not sure, but you seem to hear a ton of Polish in North Brooklyn and parts of Queens, especially with young people).
According to a doorman of mine, who's originally from Poland, there's a number of younger Polish people in their 20s who are actually moving to Poland and reconnecting with extended family. So the US may continue to see a decline in Polish population for awhile apparently.
It's not just Poles in their 20s. A friend of mines parents immigrated from Poland before he was born, and he's already had a grandparent move back for good and his father is going for half a year or so to open a business. He's told that since Poland has turned around so much since when his parents immigrated that his family sort of wishes they hadn't come over in the first place.
He wants to stay in Chicago though, so that might be bit awkward for him in the future.
There are more Poles in NYC than in Chicago. This is true both comparing cities and metros.
What this has to do with the thread topic is beyond me, though.
For what it's worth, this is a rather recent phenomenon, but you are correct. Historically though, Chicago has held that title.
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Originally Posted by marothisu
The fact about Warsaw, Polish people, and Chicago was true in the 1930s. It's not true anymore even though there's many Polish people in Chicago still. That type of thing was also true of Czech people and Chicago back around that time - Chicago had more Czech people outside of Prague than any other world city at one point. According to a doorman of mine, who's originally from Poland, there's a number of younger Polish people in their 20s who are actually moving to Poland and reconnecting with extended family. So the US may continue to see a decline in Polish population for awhile apparently.
So you believe if it was a thread based solely on the culture and soul of the city, leaving icons and name recognition out, that Chicago would win? Not disagreeing with you, but curious why you think Chicago is more cultured than LA? Also, I voted for Chicago.
I personally think Chicago has more culture because I have yet to see anyone here say how celebrities translate to any amenities readily available to you. Whereas in Chicago you can get ethnic foods and other amenities readily available to you any day of the week.
I personally think Chicago has more culture because I have yet to see anyone here say how celebrities translate to any amenities readily available to you. Whereas in Chicago you can get ethnic foods and other amenities readily available to you any day of the week.
Put the strawman down already. Sheesh.
No one here is saying that celebrities translates into culture. Did you miss where I posted a sample itinerary based around some of the cultural amenities here? Because you commented right after it. Here, in case your back button is broken:
Visit Griffith Observatory at sunset. Enjoy the view over the basin, then pop inside the observatory to watch a demo of a Tesla coil and catch a planetarium show.
Hike the Runyon Canyon loop with the locals.
Do a walking tour of Downtown LA- Maybe the historic theaters on Broadway. Stop by Grand Central Market for lunch.
Do a scenic drive down Mulholland Drive. Stop at the pulloffs to take in the views of both the LA Basin and the San Fernando Valley.
Check out the collections at LACMA- the biggest art museum on the west coast.
Take the tram up to the Getty Center and enjoy the art, the views, and the architecture.
Take a drive up the PCH into Malibu to enjoy the cliffside beaches. Stop by the Getty Villa on the way and pretend you're in Italy.
Visit the Arts District and check out all the murals and street art. Walk over the LA River and reenact your favorite scene from Terminator 2 or Grease.
Skip Chinatown and head to LA's real Chinatown: the San Gabriel Valley. Dim Sum!
Head to Echo Park or Boyle Heights and enjoy the best authentic tacos you will have in your life.
Visit the nation's biggest Koreatown for some Korean BBQ, then do karaoke until the wee hours of the night.
Visit Venice Beach. Walk the Boardwalk at least once, then take a walk through the Venice canals and drool over the homes.
Visit Little Tokyo or Little Osaka for some amazing sushi or raman.
Catch an outdoor movie screening in the Hollywood Forever Cemetery (yes, this exists. Google 'cinespia')
Marine Day Trip: Take the ferry from Long Beach over to Catalina Island
Marine Day Trip 2: Head south to Newport Beach and do a whalewatching tour
Desert Day Trip: Drive out to Palm Springs and Joshua Tree National Park
Coastal Day Trip: Take the Amtrak up to Santa Barbara
Alpine Day Trip: Drive up to Sequoia National Park and see some really, really big trees
If you want to argue that Chicago beats LA culturally, start by telling us how Chicago can top the items on that list. That would at least be constructive, rather than this harping on this false and ignorant assumption that people here somehow worship celebrities and count them as "culture" just because we're the city that creates the content. You know the midwest is the target audience for mainstream TV and film right? Los Angeles is a city of artists: filmmakers, cinematographers, set designers, 3d artists, fashion designers, musicians, programmers, etc. Do you really think the people that are busy using their own creativity and their own blood, sweat, and tears to create the content you're consuming don't have anything better to do than to worship celebrities? Do you like thinking about work right after you've gotten home from wokr? These people work with celebrities every day and are the last people to be starstruck.
Lastly, you don't want to go toe to toe with LA on ethnic food. LA is the gateway to Asia and Latin America, and is a majority-minority city. Cheap, amazing ethnic food from around the globe abounds, and its not toned down for white american tastes.
No one here is saying that celebrities translates into culture. Did you miss where I posted a sample itinerary based around some of the cultural amenities here? Because you commented right after it. Here, in case your back button is broken:
Visit Griffith Observatory at sunset. Enjoy the view over the basin, then pop inside the observatory to watch a demo of a Tesla coil and catch a planetarium show.
Hike the Runyon Canyon loop with the locals.
Do a walking tour of Downtown LA- Maybe the historic theaters on Broadway. Stop by Grand Central Market for lunch.
Do a scenic drive down Mulholland Drive. Stop at the pulloffs to take in the views of both the LA Basin and the San Fernando Valley.
Check out the collections at LACMA- the biggest art museum on the west coast.
Take the tram up to the Getty Center and enjoy the art, the views, and the architecture.
Take a drive up the PCH into Malibu to enjoy the cliffside beaches. Stop by the Getty Villa on the way and pretend you're in Italy.
Visit the Arts District and check out all the murals and street art. Walk over the LA River and reenact your favorite scene from Terminator 2 or Grease.
Skip Chinatown and head to LA's real Chinatown: the San Gabriel Valley. Dim Sum!
Head to Echo Park or Boyle Heights and enjoy the best authentic tacos you will have in your life.
Visit the nation's biggest Koreatown for some Korean BBQ, then do karaoke until the wee hours of the night.
Visit Venice Beach. Walk the Boardwalk at least once, then take a walk through the Venice canals and drool over the homes.
Visit Little Tokyo or Little Osaka for some amazing sushi or raman.
Catch an outdoor movie screening in the Hollywood Forever Cemetery (yes, this exists. Google 'cinespia')
Marine Day Trip: Take the ferry from Long Beach over to Catalina Island
Marine Day Trip 2: Head south to Newport Beach and do a whalewatching tour
Desert Day Trip: Drive out to Palm Springs and Joshua Tree National Park
Coastal Day Trip: Take the Amtrak up to Santa Barbara
Alpine Day Trip: Drive up to Sequoia National Park and see some really, really big trees
If you want to argue that Chicago beats LA culturally, start by telling us how Chicago can top the items on that list. That would at least be constructive, rather than this harping on this false and ignorant assumption that people here somehow worship celebrities and count them as "culture" just because we're the city that creates the content. You know the midwest is the target audience for mainstream TV and film right? Los Angeles is a city of artists: filmmakers, cinematographers, set designers, 3d artists, fashion designers, musicians, programmers, etc. Do you really think the people that are busy using their own creativity and their own blood, sweat, and tears to create the content you're consuming don't have anything better to do than to worship celebrities? Do you like thinking about work right after you've gotten home from wokr? These people work with celebrities every day and are the last people to be starstruck.
Lastly, you don't want to brag about ethnic food when you're going toe to toe with LA. We own that game.
Not to say that these all top the list, but they easily go toe-to-toe. For the nature aspect, it's really hard to top anything in California, but then those aren't really culture, either...
Some things for Chicago:
-Visit Adler planetarium, the oldest planetarium in North America, and enjoy views of Lake Michigan as far as the eye can see and one of the best skylines in the world
-Visit downtown Chicago, River North, the Theatre District, the Gold Coast
-Cruise down Lakeshore Dr. with the top down on one of the best urban drives in the U.S.
-Check out the collections at the Art Institute of Chicago and check out one of the largest collections of Western art in the entire country
-Climb to the top of one of the tallest occupiable buildings in North America and see the great expanse as far as the eye can see
-Explore Chicago's Little Italy
-Take a stroll along the Chicago river and look at one of the most expansive urban canyons in the U.S.; take in one of the iconic Chicago architecture tours
-Bike, run, stroll along the paths that cover 20+ mi along Lake Michigan and enjoy the public art pieces that are strewn throughout and the free public zoo
-Visit the Field Museum and take in one of the largest natural history museums in the world
-Take in some of the world-class culinary options Chicago has to offer, including Alinea, which has been rated as the world's best restaurant for several years
-Catch a performance of one of the top orchestras in the world, the CSO
-Enjoy a stroll through the beautiful architecture of the Hyde Park campus of one of the greatest universities in the world, the University of Chicago
-Catch a baseball game at the second-oldest ballpark in the nation: Wrigley Field
Don't get me wrong, if all thinks are considered, I think LA beats Chicago in terms of being more iconic, but I think they are pretty close when it comes to which one is more cultural.
No one here is saying that celebrities translates into culture. Did you miss where I posted a sample itinerary based around some of the cultural amenities here? Because you commented right after it. Here, in case your back button is broken:
Visit Griffith Observatory at sunset. Enjoy the view over the basin, then pop inside the observatory to watch a demo of a Tesla coil and catch a planetarium show.
Hike the Runyon Canyon loop with the locals.
Do a walking tour of Downtown LA- Maybe the historic theaters on Broadway. Stop by Grand Central Market for lunch.
Do a scenic drive down Mulholland Drive. Stop at the pulloffs to take in the views of both the LA Basin and the San Fernando Valley.
Check out the collections at LACMA- the biggest art museum on the west coast.
Take the tram up to the Getty Center and enjoy the art, the views, and the architecture.
Take a drive up the PCH into Malibu to enjoy the cliffside beaches. Stop by the Getty Villa on the way and pretend you're in Italy.
Visit the Arts District and check out all the murals and street art. Walk over the LA River and reenact your favorite scene from Terminator 2 or Grease.
Skip Chinatown and head to LA's real Chinatown: the San Gabriel Valley. Dim Sum!
Head to Echo Park or Boyle Heights and enjoy the best authentic tacos you will have in your life.
Visit the nation's biggest Koreatown for some Korean BBQ, then do karaoke until the wee hours of the night.
Visit Venice Beach. Walk the Boardwalk at least once, then take a walk through the Venice canals and drool over the homes.
Visit Little Tokyo or Little Osaka for some amazing sushi or raman.
Catch an outdoor movie screening in the Hollywood Forever Cemetery (yes, this exists. Google 'cinespia')
Marine Day Trip: Take the ferry from Long Beach over to Catalina Island
Marine Day Trip 2: Head south to Newport Beach and do a whalewatching tour
Desert Day Trip: Drive out to Palm Springs and Joshua Tree National Park
Coastal Day Trip: Take the Amtrak up to Santa Barbara
Alpine Day Trip: Drive up to Sequoia National Park and see some really, really big trees
If you want to argue that Chicago beats LA culturally, start by telling us how Chicago can top the items on that list. That would at least be constructive, rather than this harping on this false and ignorant assumption that people here somehow worship celebrities and count them as "culture" just because we're the city that creates the content. You know the midwest is the target audience for mainstream TV and film right? Los Angeles is a city of artists: filmmakers, cinematographers, set designers, 3d artists, fashion designers, musicians, programmers, etc. Do you really think the people that are busy using their own creativity and their own blood, sweat, and tears to create the content you're consuming don't have anything better to do than to worship celebrities? Do you like thinking about work right after you've gotten home from wokr? These people work with celebrities every day and are the last people to be starstruck.
Lastly, you don't want to go toe to toe with LA on ethnic food. LA is the gateway to Asia and Latin America, and is a majority-minority city. Cheap, amazing ethnic food from around the globe abounds, and its not toned down for white american tastes.
1. It is my opinion and I have seen way too many people here claim that celebrities are culture and your idea of culture is different than mine and most of what you posted I would not consider culture as my idea of culture is ethnic diversity which Chicago and LA both have plenty of its just in my opinion Chicago leads in many more ethnicities than just Mexicans and Asians
What you posted is not what I consider culture and as you can see Chicago holds up very well in my view of the cultural standpoint. I don't know where you are coming from with the strawman argument but most of what you posted are activities not ethnic diversity. They are definitely impressive but I really would like to meet new people from all over the world and be out and about learning about new cultures while I would like going for a hike I would love to learn about peoples culture and history a little more. PS Chicago more than holds its own against LA for ethnic food:
Los Angeles is without question more ethnically diverse and cosmopolitan, I don't see a debate here. The amount of Asian-born residents alone tops the entire foreign-born population of Chicago. Chicago only has the edge in European born residents, by about 100k. Not very significant.
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please just ignore the crap out of that comment. 
