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View Poll Results: Where do you think I should live
Denver 11 21.15%
Minneapolis 9 17.31%
Philadelphia 32 61.54%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-01-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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Based on your criteria, I vote Philly. Good luck with your move.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:16 PM
 
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* I am big on Italian food, urbanity and am not big on outdoor activities. Right off the bat, this should suggest to you Philly over the other two. Neither Denver or the Twin Cities are chock full of Italians like Philly is, and while both are fairly urban, neither hold a candle to Philly in that regard either. Also, Denver and TC are both very outdoorsy, while Philly frankly isn't.

Airports - Some people say DEN, I say MSP, but NOBODY says PHL!
Architecture - Got to say Philly, because I like older stuff like Art Decco
Downtown/Neighborhoods - Philly again (note: Denver and Minneapolis do well in this regard, but Philly is easily top 5)
Career Prospects - Minneapolis, due to low unemployment rate AND diverse economy. GDP/capita amongst the highest in the nation as well.
Casinos/Concerts/Events/Festivals - can't say I know this one
Culture - I personally adore the culture in Minneapolis, and abhore it in Denver. Philly I don't know as much but it seems ok.
Entertainment - Entertainment to me = Food + nightlife + museums + theatre......all of which are covered below.
Food/Restaurants - for the same reason as the first line item, Philly.
Museums - probably Philly (all are good)
Nightlife - probably Philly (all are good)
Outdoor Activites - probably Denver, followed by MSP, then Philly
Parks/Squares - I may be biased, but I think it's MSP, which has a severely under-appreciated parks system that rivals any city I've EVER been to
Shopping (Name stores the other cities would not have) - I can't name special stores for you, but Philly or MSP would be better than Denver I'd think, with KOP and MOA malls leading the way
Shows - like theatre? Philly or Minneapolis are top-notch
Sports/Sports Culture/Sports Venues - Oooo, tough one! Philly by a bit, but Denver would be great here as well, and being from Minneapolis I can assure you there's a ton there as well (but the pro teams aren't good lately)
Urbanity - Philly
Uniqueness - Philly or Minneapolis..... no great reasons
Water Activities (Lakes, Beaches, Water Parks, Piers, Boardwalks) - waiting to hear a Denver poster tout this one! Minneapolis, and fairly easily. Few cities ON EARTH probably are as oriented around water and water recreation as the Twin Cities are, ironically.
Zoos - IDK, but "take her to the zoo!" (-Rocky)


Based on the above, I choose Philly out of the three for your tastes.
You are right, I think that I sort of answered my own question while typing.

After more thought is put into this I started thinking about location and other large cities for day trips. Denver has Aspen, but not many major cities. Minneapolis is pretty far from other major cities (500 miles) while Philly is close to Atlantic City, NYC, DC, Baltimore and even Boston. I never thought about location really until joining this site. Would be a nice escape to NY for the weekend, I think it is only about 2 hours.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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Just one thing on the water activities

Remember the criteris is CSA. For Philly that includes many rivers but more importantly the Delaware and Chesepeake Bays and the Atlantic Ocean

Lakes, while there are some they are not large, Beaches (Hands down Philly with the Jersey shore in the CSA), Piers/Boardwalks, again maybe the best boardwalks in the country and the Chesepeake is amazing.

Remeber these places are in the CSA

Ocean City, NJ - The Boardwalk in the Summer | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Cape May Light | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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Chesepeake Bay | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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Old 10-02-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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You are right, I think that I sort of answered my own question while typing.

After more thought is put into this I started thinking about location and other large cities for day trips. Denver has Aspen, but not many major cities. Minneapolis is pretty far from other major cities (500 miles) while Philly is close to Atlantic City, NYC, DC, Baltimore and even Boston. I never thought about location really until joining this site. Would be a nice escape to NY for the weekend, I think it is only about 2 hours.
I kind of think you answered your own question as well. Depending on how big you are on urbanity, as you outlined in your OP, Philly is a level above the other two. It is the only one with a truly bustling core where people live, work and play. That was important to us when we re-located from Houston, The second big criterion was location. We wanted to be near other big cities and easy day trips. In under three hours or driving (or train): NYC, DC, Baltimore, Annapolis, Valley Forge, Gettysburg, quaint resorts such as Cape May and Rehoboth Beach, Atlantic City, Maryland's Eastern Shore, the Chesapeake and Delaware Bays, Harper's Ferry, the Pocono mountains, Brandywine Valley, Hudson Valley, Lancaster Amish country, rolling countryside populated with covered bridges, etc. Finally, we were looking for a four season city.

Some posters will caught up the conventional wisdom that Philly is unfriendly. Not true. We find daily interactions quite friendly and helpful, and have made a nice circle of friends to run around with.

Best of luck. It's always best to make a visit first - you can see for first hand whether it's a good ft or not.
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Old 10-02-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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I am hearing a lot about Philly from their posters, but this site does not seem to have many posters from Denver or Minneapolis to give feedback on them.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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* I am big on Italian food, urbanity and am not big on outdoor activities. Right off the bat, this should suggest to you Philly over the other two. Neither Denver or the Twin Cities are chock full of Italians like Philly is, and while both are fairly urban, neither hold a candle to Philly in that regard either. Also, Denver and TC are both very outdoorsy, while Philly frankly isn't.

Airports - Some people say DEN, I say MSP, but NOBODY says PHL!
Architecture - Got to say Philly, because I like older stuff like Art Decco
Downtown/Neighborhoods - Philly again (note: Denver and Minneapolis do well in this regard, but Philly is easily top 5)
Career Prospects - Minneapolis, due to low unemployment rate AND diverse economy. GDP/capita amongst the highest in the nation as well.
Casinos/Concerts/Events/Festivals - can't say I know this one
Culture - I personally adore the culture in Minneapolis, and abhore it in Denver. Philly I don't know as much but it seems ok.
Entertainment - Entertainment to me = Food + nightlife + museums + theatre......all of which are covered below.
Food/Restaurants - for the same reason as the first line item, Philly.
Museums - probably Philly (all are good)
Nightlife - probably Philly (all are good)
Outdoor Activites - probably Denver, followed by MSP, then Philly
Parks/Squares - I may be biased, but I think it's MSP, which has a severely under-appreciated parks system that rivals any city I've EVER been to
Shopping (Name stores the other cities would not have) - I can't name special stores for you, but Philly or MSP would be better than Denver I'd think, with KOP and MOA malls leading the way
Shows - like theatre? Philly or Minneapolis are top-notch
Sports/Sports Culture/Sports Venues - Oooo, tough one! Philly by a bit, but Denver would be great here as well, and being from Minneapolis I can assure you there's a ton there as well (but the pro teams aren't good lately)
Urbanity - Philly
Uniqueness - Philly or Minneapolis..... no great reasons
Water Activities (Lakes, Beaches, Water Parks, Piers, Boardwalks) - waiting to hear a Denver poster tout this one! Minneapolis, and fairly easily. Few cities ON EARTH probably are as oriented around water and water recreation as the Twin Cities are, ironically.
Zoos - IDK, but "take her to the zoo!" (-Rocky)


Based on the above, I choose Philly out of the three for your tastes.
I pretty much agree with the above assessment, though I would have split downtown and neighborhoods into two. For Downtown, Philly wins, with Denver and Mpls pretty comparable.
For city neighborhoods, on a pound for pound basis, I think Mpls ranks very high, due to their access to bike paths, parkways, the lakes and the Mississippi River as well as their good quality housing stock, and the vibrancy of the commercial areas.
Philadelphia is obviously a much bigger city, and it has many great areas but it also has lots of neglected areas.

I lived in New Jersey for 5 years and generally liked it a lot, but the hassle factor of the east coast is much higher than Mpls or Denver. I think the quality of public services is worse in Philly-- things like schools, parks, and just local government in general. One of my friends grew up in PA and lived in the Twin Cities for 10 years or so. He remarked frequently on the difference in service levels between PA and MN. If you're young and single, that might not mean a lot, but if you buy a house and raise a family then it will become more important. Denver has some nice areas too (Washington Park, Cherry Creek and City Park), but also a lot of non descript areas too.

Regarding the 500 mile comment about Mpls, thats a bit of an exageration (Though not too far off). Places close to Mpls include:

Duluth and the North Shore of Lake Superior: 2.5 hours north east
Brainerd & the north-central lake country resorts: 2-2.5 hours north
Madison: 3.5 hours southeast
Milwaukee: 5 hours SE
Chicago: 7 hours SE
Winnipeg: 7 hours NW
Des Moines, Omaha, KC are all within 5-8 hours south and SW

However, I agree that Philly is incredible in terms of access to other places. When I lived in NJ, I loved exploring all the places that were within a short drive, from the Catskills to Cape May, The Hamptons to Newport. But of course, I got stuck in my share of huge tra ffic jams too.

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Old 10-02-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I am hearing a lot about Philly from their posters, but this site does not seem to have many posters from Denver or Minneapolis to give feedback on them.
Here's some feed back on Denver

Airports: 2nd largest in the world, clean, and efficient. One of the nicest/best in the US
Architecture: Actually some really nice architecture in the surrounding neighborhoods. People look at our skyline and assume architecture is lacking.
Downtown/Neighborhoods: Denver has so many things centered in and around downtown. It's really underrated imo.
Career Prospects: Not quite sure
Casinos/Concerts/Events/Festivals: There are many festivals/events throughout the year! Everybody goes up to Central City and Blackhawk (mountain towns) for casinos. They actually have more casinos than Atlantic City.
Culture: Laid back, Mexican influence, Outdoorsy culture, Western culture, and
Entertainment: Downtown is full of entertainment spots!
Food/Restaurants: The food scene isn't in your face like a lot of larger cities, but it's definitely not lacking! You just have to know where to look.
Museums: We have a nice Science and Art museum (with many others)
Nightlife: Not really familiar with Denver's nightlife tbh.
Outdoor Activities: This is one thing Denver specializes in. Many paths/trails to run. The mountains are just about 30mins-1 hour away depending on where you are.
Parks/Squares: One of the largest park systems in the US!
Shopping: Cherry Creek Shopping Center is our primary upscale shopping area, and it has many, many great stores.
Shows: Red Rocks Amphitheater is one of the best outdoor venues in the US for shows!
Sports/Sports Culture/Sports Venues: Pepsi Center and Coors Field are right in downtown Denver. Invesco Field is not far (at all) from Downtown Denver.
Urbanity: People claim that Denver is suburban (which is true in some areas) but the central part of the city is pretty urban/dense.
Uniqueness: Not many would call Denver unique, but I think it is.
Water Activities (Lakes, Beaches, Water Parks, Piers, Boardwalks): We don't have many real lakes. There are decent sized reservoirs (which are used for many water activities in the Summer) and many lakes in the mountains. White Water rafting is also pretty big in the mountains around her.
Zoos: I love the Denver zoo! If you're willing to drive farther, Cheyenne Mtn Zoo in Colorado Springs is really nice/pretty.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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I am hearing a lot about Philly from their posters, but this site does not seem to have many posters from Denver or Minneapolis to give feedback on them.
Actually a good chunk of the people posting are from Minneapolis and Denver. They/we know our cities are nice, but just think Philly is a better choice for you.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:02 PM
 
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Airports: Denver>Minneapolis>Philly
Architecture: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Downtown/Neighborhoods: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Career Prospects: Tie. Depends on the field.
Casinos: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Concerts: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Events: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Festivals: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Culture: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Entertainment: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Food: Philly>Denver>Minneapolis
Museums: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Nightlife: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Outdoor Activities: Denver>Philly>Minneapolis
Parks/Squares: Philly>Denver>Minneapolis
Shopping: Philly>Denver>Minneapolis
Shows: Minneapolis>Denver>Philly
Sports: Philly>Denver>Minneapolis
Urbanity: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Uniqueness: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Water Activities: Philly>Minneapolis>Denver
Zoos: Denver>Philly>Minneapolis
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Des Moines, Omaha, KC are all within 5-8 hours south and SW
Des Moines is only 3.5 hours from Mpls (four from the north suburbs). Same distance or even closer than Madison
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