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View Poll Results: Most Livable Downtown?
Seattle 22 16.79%
San Francisco 27 20.61%
Los Angeles 4 3.05%
Denver 5 3.82%
Philadelphia 40 30.53%
D.C. 5 3.82%
Atlanta 6 4.58%
Houston 0 0%
Minneapolis 7 5.34%
Other 15 11.45%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-20-2013, 10:57 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Yep, it's no joke. This city downtown is out of control with thugs running the streets, seriously. They say the statistic is down but it sure doesn't feel that way. People are getting shot, getting stabbed and beaten quite often. They are trying to quell the violence downtown, but it's going to take time if it is going to be successful. The panhandlers are super aggressive and very rude and impatience. They are building a lot of housing in this downtown. This downtown is still booming with highrise residential/hotel and headquarters for Amazon.com. A lot of the growth is taking place in Denny's Triangle and Lake Union neighborhoods, which is an irony compared to what going on with low level and some high level crime going on downtown. It's threatening the future of Downtown Seattle. Right now, it's not livable if you don't want to live in fear. There are also some spotty and shady areas of Downtown Seattle. Hopefully, they can tie this downtown with Lake Union/Denny's Triangle and Belltown together and deal with these social issues. Then, maybe Downtown Seattle will be livable.
You listed these cities.....

Manhattan
Chicago
Portland
Denver
San Diego
Philadelphia

Please elaborate, and do so with genuine research, numbers, statistics, and facts with a good comparison as to how crime in downtown Seattle is so much worse than any of these other cities you have listed, because you're making downtown Seattle sound like Detroit. Honestly based on my real living experience in Capital Hill and frequent downtown visits, I didn't witness or experience any of that, sans the panhandlers but violence not at all. Not to negate what you're saying isn't true to a certain degree, but I think it's misleading to say that all these cities have far safer downtowns than Seattle. Prove it!
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:21 PM
 
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I am wondering why Chicago was not listed among the choices.

Anyways Downtown Minneapolis is pretty livable overall as you have a lot of amenities within walking distance including sports arenas, museums, a Target store and several other department stores including a Macy's, several grocery stores including a Whole Foods, restaurants, etc.
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Old 11-21-2013, 12:39 AM
 
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Portland and Boston definitely belong on this list.
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Old 11-21-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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It is true that Belltown and Pioneer Square have had some high profile stabbing/shootings recently, but overall Seattle remains a relatively safe downtown area. You may occasionally see open-air drug deals and muggings/other petty crimes do occur more often than they should, but aside from a couple of blocks in the International District I feel safer walking around downtown Seattle than I do in most other US cities' downtowns.

A lot of the "Seattle's downtown is crime-ridden" exaggerations are perpetuated by local media outlets trying to sell papers. Here is an especially egregious example: Downtown crime shocks New Yorker | Local News | The Seattle Times
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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Yep, it's no joke. This city downtown is out of control with thugs running the streets, seriously. They say the statistic is down but it sure doesn't feel that way. People are getting shot, getting stabbed and beaten quite often. They are trying to quell the violence downtown, but it's going to take time if it is going to be successful. The panhandlers are super aggressive and very rude and impatience. They are building a lot of housing in this downtown. This downtown is still booming with highrise residential/hotel and headquarters for Amazon.com. A lot of the growth is taking place in Denny's Triangle and Lake Union neighborhoods, which is an irony compared to what going on with low level and some high level crime going on downtown. It's threatening the future of Downtown Seattle. Right now, it's not livable if you don't want to live in fear. There are also some spotty and shady areas of Downtown Seattle. Hopefully, they can tie this downtown with Lake Union/Denny's Triangle and Belltown together and deal with these social issues. Then, maybe Downtown Seattle will be livable.
Lol yeah its crazy as the poor people are being pushed out by less and less afordable housing the new Amazon crowd is taking over the streets robbing and beating people because thats what people do who make over a 100,000 dollars a year. Really do you ever go downtown I just took my kids last week and we where safe and fine . Mather of a fact 2 weeks ago I took my parents to the new Mohai Museum. Its funny you talk about the crime that happens because Seattle has a large night club scene and usualy happens about 2am when people are leaving bars and clubs there not random acts of violance but people fighting. Seattle is one of the cleanest and safest cities Ive ever been to. Theres a lot less homeless in Seattle than ten years ago and it feels much safer. Maybe its because alot of the cheap apartments and hotels all have been rebuilt as market rate apts. I know one of the areas that seemed sketchy was the pike pine corridoor. between Westlake and Pike Place. With old empty department stores like Kress Building. But that area has cleaned up nicely with a new 3 story TJ Maxx and IGA in the old Kress Building , City Target in the Old Newport Mall, 3 story Hard Rock Cafe where the porn stores where, so that area no has 3 discount department stores. The area is now full of shoppers . The Westlake Center has gotten a full remodel also went from being a cheap trinket mall to upscale mall. With a new Zara Department store, and a New Nordstrom Rack . The old Nordstrom Rack is being turned into an H Mart grocery store. I was amazed at all the new stores downtown We had fun checking out all the new stores. Anyway I dont think of crime ridden streets with department stores like Nordstrom, Maceys, Zara, and Barney's NY that are all open tell 9pm way after dark.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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Lol yeah its crazy as the poor people are being pushed out by less and less afordable housing the new Amazon crowd is taking over the streets robbing and beating people because thats what people do who make over a 100,000 dollars a year. Really do you ever go downtown I just took my kids last week and we where safe and fine . Mather of a fact 2 weeks ago I took my parents to the new Mohai Museum. Its funny you talk about the crime that happens because Seattle has a large night club scene and usualy happens about 2am when people are leaving bars and clubs there not random acts of violance but people fighting. Seattle is one of the cleanest and safest cities Ive ever been to. Theres a lot less homeless in Seattle than ten years ago and it feels much safer. Maybe its because alot of the cheap apartments and hotels all have been rebuilt as market rate apts. I know one of the areas that seemed sketchy was the pike pine corridoor. between Westlake and Pike Place. With old empty department stores like Kress Building. But that area has cleaned up nicely with a new 3 story TJ Maxx and IGA in the old Kress Building , City Target in the Old Newport Mall, 3 story Hard Rock Cafe where the porn stores where, so that area no has 3 discount department stores. The area is now full of shoppers . The Westlake Center has gotten a full remodel also went from being a cheap trinket mall to upscale mall. With a new Zara Department store, and a New Nordstrom Rack . The old Nordstrom Rack is being turned into an H Mart grocery store. I was amazed at all the new stores downtown We had fun checking out all the new stores. Anyway I dont think of crime ridden streets with department stores like Nordstrom, Maceys, Zara, and Barney's NY that are all open tell 9pm way after dark.
What a complete paradox! You do have these stores, but Belleview is where bulk of the high end shopping are done. The clubs scene is mediocre downtown with thuggish crowds spilling into the streets. The cool nightlife scene is in Capitol Hill and the eastside. Pine Pike and Second and Third are sketchy which are right in the middle of downtown. Yeah, there are stores but mostly lower end although there are some high end due to shipping and tourism. You got construction and Amazon and also Lake Union, but you have thugs, homeless, and others that have nothing to do with nightlife and Amazon. They probably will scare them off soon if nothing is taken care. This a problematic downtown, not a livable downtown. Hopefully, that'll change soon, or it would be a sad tale in the Northwest.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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What a complete paradox! You do have these stores, but Belleview is where bulk of the high end shopping are done. The clubs scene is mediocre downtown with thuggish crowds spilling into the streets. The cool nightlife scene is in Capitol Hill and the eastside. Pine Pike and Second and Third are sketchy which are right in the middle of downtown. Yeah, there are stores but mostly lower end although there are some high end due to shipping and tourism. You got construction and Amazon and also Lake Union, but you have thugs, homeless, and others that have nothing to do with nightlife and Amazon. They probably will scare them off soon if nothing is taken care. This a problematic downtown, not a livable downtown. Hopefully, that'll change soon, or it would be a sad tale in the Northwest.
A homeless guy once asked me if I could put him up in a hotel so he wouldn't have to sleep on the cold wet streets of Seattle, LOL I told him to get outta here, but anyhow I couldn't disagree more with your post, Seattle is by far one of the safest downtowns in the country, when I first saw the skidrow I was thinking "this is it"?
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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What a complete paradox! You do have these stores, but Belleview is where bulk of the high end shopping are done. The clubs scene is mediocre downtown with thuggish crowds spilling into the streets. The cool nightlife scene is in Capitol Hill and the eastside. Pine Pike and Second and Third are sketchy which are right in the middle of downtown. Yeah, there are stores but mostly lower end although there are some high end due to shipping and tourism. You got construction and Amazon and also Lake Union, but you have thugs, homeless, and others that have nothing to do with nightlife and Amazon. They probably will scare them off soon if nothing is taken care. This a problematic downtown, not a livable downtown. Hopefully, that'll change soon, or it would be a sad tale in the Northwest.
LoL First its Bellevue and Bellevue doesn't have a Barney's flagship store wait they dont have any Barney's , They dont have A Zara, They dont Have AllSaints Spitfield either. Seattle has the flagship and largest Nordstrom, The largest Macy's in the P.N.W, The largest and flagship R.E.I. There are hundreds of high end stores on 5th ave and Pacific Place. The stores downtown Seattle are the largest in the state or USA. There larger than Bellevues or other mall stores. Really its wierd either your bashing Seattle or you have never been to any other big cities Ive been to SanFransico, LosAngeles, Portland, Oakland, Chicago and Philadelphia. And Seattle is one of the Safest cities you dont even have any facts to back up your claim. Really if Downtown Seattle was unlivable would they be building new upscale retail and 5,000 new housing units a year downtown. And if downtown was not a nitelife area would SLS be building a new hotel and nightclub downtown. The only other cities in the USA that have a SLS club and hotel are Miami, Beverly Hills, LasVegas and New York. If Seattle was that bad investors would shy from Seattle and wouldn't be investing billions a year.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I voted San Francisco, though Boston certainly is up there (couldn't vote for it, since it isn't in the poll). I would imagine DC is pretty decent as well. Los Angeles has seen great improvement and is at the point which DTLA is now what I would consider liveable - something that could not be said just 5 years ago. However it still needs to improve a bit to be considered with the top echelon of liveable downtowns.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:28 PM
 
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LoL First its Bellevue and Bellevue doesn't have a Barney's flagship store wait they dont have any Barney's , They dont have A Zara, They dont Have AllSaints Spitfield either. Seattle has the flagship and largest Nordstrom, The largest Macy's in the P.N.W, The largest and flagship R.E.I. There are hundreds of high end stores on 5th ave and Pacific Place. The stores downtown Seattle are the largest in the state or USA. There larger than Bellevues or other mall stores. Really its wierd either your bashing Seattle or you have never been to any other big cities Ive been to SanFransico, LosAngeles, Portland, Oakland, Chicago and Philadelphia. And Seattle is one of the Safest cities you dont even have any facts to back up your claim. Really if Downtown Seattle was unlivable would they be building new upscale retail and 5,000 new housing units a year downtown. And if downtown was not a nitelife area would SLS be building a new hotel and nightclub downtown. The only other cities in the USA that have a SLS club and hotel are Miami, Beverly Hills, LasVegas and New York. If Seattle was that bad investors would shy from Seattle and wouldn't be investing billions a year.
I've been to all other cities mentioned above except for Oakland. San Francisco, Portland and Chicago feel much safer than Downtown Seattle. Even a New Yorker(Stuart Marvin a former aid to Rudy Gulliani) was shocked how unsafe and uncivil Downtown Seattle is currently. As for SLS club and hotel, I've never seen how trigger happy investors they are in Seattle, among the most in the country. They love to build in this region for some reason all along for the last 35 years or so. They're too easily triggered happy to build towers in Downtown Seattle even though it doesn't or hasn't warranted for the last 30 years, huge glut of supplies resulted from time to time. In other cities, the investors and developers are not so trigger happy to pull the trigger to build towers. They are a little smarter and, they wait for the market to improve and then build. As for high end stores, Belleview takes the cake on this one and the premier shopping spot in the region while Downtown Seattle plays second or third fiddle to those areas. Downtown Seattle is a broken city and with lots of problems. I hope things will or have improved since I was last there last year. Maybe things have changed in a hurry, but it definitely wasn't livable when I was there.
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