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Old 12-30-2013, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Even if YOU are one of those 350 million?

The US with 350 million people would still only make for 92 people per square mile, if evenly distributed.
Even more so, the United States would need 2.8 billion people to have a population density comparable to Indian or China.

We're 11% of the way there!
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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We disagree....big time!
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Have you ever lived in China or India to tell whether the over-population is good or bad? I mean seriously, planners and people in general in Mumbai and Calcutta probably hold out their hands and pray together during the Indian census that their cities show signs of population decline, not a population build up. Want to see how cheap a human life is, go there and see it. It's everywhere, just no hope, just no future. If you're fortunate enough to live well off there, it makes no difference, you're surrounded by that everywhere you go.

I'm not saying you cant create an ideal atmosphere out of pure size, surely you can, look at Tokyo. Japan in general only accounts for literally only a handful of murders each year, leads the world in infrastructure and technological advancement, and has a great educated and prosperous atmosphere. Albeit, economic uncertainty. It's up to the first world standard.

Growth in American cities though, I don't know what we're getting out of it really. It's just all so deceiving. I mean, I suppose people chasing the practical average life? The own your own estate, run your own business, build your own life thing. Sprawl basically.
Japan is also facing a crisis because most of their younger, child bearing aged population is refusing to reproduce, which has the government in panic mode. I'll leave it to you to figure out why Japan would be worried about stagnating growth. As far as China and India are concerned, their situation is the exact opposite. Too many people and not enough jobs. That's where outsourcing on our behalf in the developed world comes into play. For the fortunate few in China and India that do receive a college education, please believe it's engineering and math based degrees.

Like I said. We need more American babies being pushed out and we need to invest even more so in math and science in this country. If we don't have the kids ourselves to keep America at the forefront of the technological and engineering boom, believe they're plenty of Indians and Chinese to take over. No we don't need a billion high consumption Americans in the year 2050. But we do need enough children to replace the 30-40 year old population in the future.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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Japan is also facing a crisis because most of their younger, child bearing aged population is refusing to reproduce, which has the government in panic mode. I'll leave it to you to figure out why Japan would be worried about stagnating growth. As far as China and India are concerned, their situation is the exact opposite. Too many people and not enough jobs. That's where outsourcing on our behalf in the developed world comes into play. For the fortunate few in China and India that do receive a college education, please believe it's engineering and math based degrees.

Like I said. We need more American babies being pushed out and we need to invest even more so in math and science in this country. If we don't have the kids ourselves to keep America at the forefront of the technological and engineering boom, believe they're plenty of Indians and Chinese to take over. No we don't need a billion high consumption Americans in the year 2050. But we do need enough children to replace the 30-40 year old population in the future.
Actually I'm looking forward to a less crowded world.

I embrace the decline.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Actually I'm looking forward to a less crowded world.

I embrace the decline.
You really didn't get your reputation points on CD from making comments like this, I hope.

Please tell me you're kidding. I just know you're not serious. Unless I'm not comprehending what you're trying to say.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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You really didn't get your reputation points on CD from making comments like this, I hope.

Please tell me you're kidding. I just know you're not serious. Unless I'm not comprehending what you're trying to say.
No I'm pretty sure I was being serious.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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How do you figure? These estimates suggest the exact opposite. IL has ~110,000 more people and grew more than PA did in these latest estimates...Both are growing very slowly. See:

32. Illinois +13,943
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39. Pennsylvania +9,326

Even if you consider previous year estimates, within error, they are likely growing at the same rate.
I highly doubt Illinois can sustain that growth rate level till the 2020 census. Pennsylvania will most likely surpass it.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:36 PM
 
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I highly doubt Illinois can sustain that growth rate level till the 2020 census. Pennsylvania will most likely surpass it.

Don't be so sure about that....Illinois is the Chicago metro area and things seem to be turning around there. and if the entire Midwestern economy continues to improve, which seems apparent, Chicago, and by default Illinois will benefit greatly. Chicago is weird, in my lifetime I've already seen two periods of stagnation along with two periods of resurgence.....we are due for some new resurgence anytime now....
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:41 PM
 
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No I'm pretty sure I was being serious.
How do you know that you will be around to see this population reduction?
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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For you stat phreaks out there:

State - 2013 pop - 2013 change - 2012 change - 2013 % - 2013 vs. 2012 numerical change
Texas - 26,448,193 - 387,397 - 419,887 - 1.49% - -32,490
California - 38,332,521 - 332,643 - 331,197 - 0.88% - 1,446
Florida - 19,552,860 - 232,111 - 237,267 - 1.20% - -5,156
North Carolina - 9,848,060 - 99,696 - 96,987 - 1.02% - 2,709
Colorado - 5,268,367 - 78,909 - 71,058 - 1.52% - 7,851
Georgia - 9,992,167 - 76,521 - 105,465 - 0.77% - -28,944
Washington - 6,971,406 - 76,088 - 73,837 - 1.10% - 2,251
Arizona - 6,626,624 - 75,475 - 82,353 - 1.15% - -6,878
New York - 19,651,127 - 75,002 - 73,397 - 0.38% - 1,605
Virginia - 8,260,405 - 73,777 - 80,778 - 0.90% - -7,001
South Carolina - 4,774,839 - 51,422 - 49,908 - 1.09% - 1,514
Massachusetts - 6,692,824 - 47,521 - 39,018 - 0.72% - 8,503
Utah - 2,900,872 - 46,001 - 40,087 - 1.61% - 5,914
Maryland - 5,928,814 - 43,946 - 44,627 - 0.75% - -681
Tennessee - 6,495,978 - 41,064 - 56,553 - 0.64% - -15,489
Minnesota - 5,420,380 - 40,734 - 32,538 - 0.76% - 8,196
Nevada - 2,790,136 - 35,782 - 36,403 - 1.30% - -621
Oklahoma - 3,850,568 - 34,788 - 30,246 - 0.91% - 4,542
Indiana - 6,570,902 - 33,120 - 21,446 - 0.51% - 11,674
New Jersey - 8,899,339 - 31,590 - 31,110 - 0.36% - 480
Oregon - 3,930,065 - 30,264 - 31,864 - 0.78% - -1,600
Louisiana - 4,625,470 - 23,336 - 26,937 - 0.51% - -3,601
North Dakota - 723,393 - 22,048 - 16,478 - 3.14% - 5,570
Missouri - 6,044,171 - 19,649 - 14,457 - 0.33% - 5,192
Wisconsin - 5,742,713 - 18,159 - 15,769 - 0.32% - 2,390
Ohio - 11,570,808 - 17,777 - 3,259 - 0.15% - 14,518
Idaho - 1,612,136 - 16,546 - 11,660 - 1.04% - 4,886
Alabama - 4,833,722 - 16,194 - 15,901 - 0.34% - 293
Kentucky - 4,395,295 - 15,565 - 12,861 - 0.36% - 2,704
Iowa - 3,090,416 - 15,377 - 10,937 - 0.50% - 4,440
Hawaii - 1,404,054 - 13,964 - 13,193 - 1.00% - 771
Illinois - 12,882,135 - 13,943 - 12,222 - 0.11% - 1,721
Nebraska - 1,868,516 - 13,166 - 13,601 - 0.71% - -435
Michigan - 9,895,622 - 13,103 - 7,930 - 0.13% - 5,173
District of Columbia - 646,449 - 13,022 - 13,803 - 2.06% - -781
South Dakota - 844,877 - 10,830 - 10,275 - 1.30% - 555
Montana - 1,015,165 - 9,671 - 7,894 - 0.96% - 1,777
Arkansas - 2,959,373 - 9,545 - 11,322 - 0.32% - -1,777
Pennsylvania - 12,773,801 - 9,326 - 23,165 - 0.07% - -13,839
Delaware - 925,749 - 8,696 - 9,068 - 0.95% - -372
Kansas - 2,893,957 - 8,559 - 15,850 - 0.30% - -7,291
Wyoming - 582,658 - 6,032 - 9,297 - 1.05% - -3,265
Alaska - 735,132 - 4,825 - 6,932 - 0.66%- -2,107
Mississippi - 2,991,207 - 4,757 - 8,564 - 0.16% - -3,807
Connecticut - 3,596,080 - 4,315 - 2,817 - 0.12% - 1,498
New Hampshire - 1,323,459 - 1,842 - 3,542 - 0.14% - -1,700
New Mexico - 2,085,287 - 1,747 - 5,621 - 0.08% - -3,874
Rhode Island - 1,051,511 - 1,207 - -46 - 0.11% - 1,253
Vermont - 626,630 - 677 - -367 - 0.11% - 1,044
Maine - 1,328,302 - -199 - 657 - -0.01% - -856
West Virginia - 1,854,304 - -2,376 - 1,496 - -0.13% - -3,872
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:51 PM
 
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How do you know that you will be around to see this population reduction?
It's forecast to start coming down around 2040 - 2050. If I have a fair chance at life at the average expectancy for Americans, then average case scenario, I'll definitely live to see that day.

I'll embrace it.
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