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I wasn't arguing Miami being ranked higher than Atlanta, I'm just saying how does Atlanta rank higher than Miami if they're trading shots, or if the criteria of what makes a great important US city, pretty even between the 2. Afonega is the one arguing that Miami doesn't belong on the same tier as Miami. I've never seen a ranking that said this. They've always shared a tier for the most part.
Maybe this will also show you what I mean"
FDI
“Top 10 Major American Cities of the Future 2013/2014”
Business Friendliness
1. New York, NY, USA
2. Toronto, ON, Canada
3. Montreal, QC, Canada
4. Santiago, Chile
5. Houston, TX, USA
6. ATLANTA, GA, USA
7. Miami, FL, USA
8. San Francisco, CA, USA
9. Bogotá, CD, Columbia
10. Mexico City, FD, Mexico
Source: fDi Magazine, April/May 2013
PC WORLD
“America’s Most Tech-Friendly Cities”
1. San Jose, CA
2. ATLANTA, GA
3. Boston, MA
4. Minneapolis, MN
5. San Francisco, CA
6. New York, NY
7. Austin, TX
8. Seattle, WA
9. Miami, FL
10. Dallas, TX
Source: pcworld.com, “America’s Most Tech-Friendly Cities,” April 2013
FORBES
“The Best Cities for New College Grads in 2013”
(in alphabetical order)
ATLANTA, GA
Boston, MA
Dallas, TX
Denver, CO
Houston, TX
Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN
Raleigh, NC
Seattle, WA
St. Louis, MO
Washington, D.C.
Source: Forbes, 3.19.2013
“Top 5 U.S. Logistics Cities”
1. Chicago, IL
2. Los Angeles, CA
3. Houston, TX
4. Memphis, TN
5. ATLANTA, GA Source: Supply Chain Digital, 6.23.2013
“Top 10 Most Literate Cities in America”
1. Washington, D.C.
2. Seattle, WA
3. Minneapolis, MN
4. Pittsburgh, PA
5. Denver, CO
6. St. Paul, MN
7. Boston, MA
8. ATLANTA, GA
9. St. Louis, MO
10. Portland, OR
Source: Central Connecticut State University, “America’s Most Literate
Cities,” 2.9.2013
CIO
“15 Top Cities for Tech Startups”
1. San Francisco, CA
2. San Jose, CA
3. New York, NY
4. Boston, MA
5. Los Angeles, CA
6. Washington, D.C.
7. Seattle, WA
8. Austin, TX
9. Philadelphia, PA
10. Chicago, IL
11. Oakland, CA
12. ATLANTA, GA
13. Pittsburgh, PA
14. Denver, CO
15. Boulder, CO
Source: CIO.com, 2.13.2013
BROOKINGS INSTITUTE
“Export Nation 2013”
2012 Exports by Metro (millions of dollars)
1. Los Angeles, CA $93,871.65
2. New York, NY $88,561.78
3. Houston, TX $77,765.52
4. Chicago, IL $66,217.27
5. Dallas/Ft Worth, TX $54,238.63
6. Seattle, WA $47,103.72
7. San Francisco, CA $38,046.75
8. Detroit, MI $37,996.94
9. Boston, MA $37,213.80
10. San Jose, CA $34,641.22
11. Portland, OR $33,941.46
12. Philadelphia, PA $29,121.94
13. ATLANTA, GA $25,547.67
14. Minneapolis, MN $22,163.16
15. Washington, D.C. $21,789.28
Source: Brookings Institute, 9.17.2013
“Top Five Annual Job Producers”
1. New York, NY +124,400
2. Houston, TX +97,700
3. Dallas, TX +77,500
4. ATLANTA, GA +72,000
5. Chicago, IL +69,800
Source: AXIOMetrics Inc, July 2013
“Top Cities with the Most Energy Star Certified
Buildings in 2012”
# of Energy Star Certified Buildings in 2012
1. Los Angeles , CA 528
2. Washington, D.C. 462
3. Chicago, IL 353
4. New York, NY 325
5. ATLANTA, GA 304
6. San Francisco, CA 291
7. Houston, TX 241
8. Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 214
9. Phoenix, AZ 202
10. Boston, MA 188
Source: Environmental Protection Agency, 3.12.2013
World Rankings
#8 Most competitive city in the world for shared
services center operations
#10 Most competitive city in the world for software
development operations
#10 Most competitive city in the world for financial
services operations
#14 Most competitive city in the world for international
headquarter operations
Source: Site Selection & IBM Global Business Services, December
2013
i should note that Miami is on its way up and will continue that rise but its by far not the only U.S. rising.That has always been my point.
Another interesting fact that I made a similar comment about earlier is that the expansion of the Panama Canal,Atlanta is poised to benefit even more so than Miami as a key international trading center.Notice in one of the list,Atlanta is one of the top cities for exports in the U.S.
The interesting thing is that the silly argument that some of the Miami posters as posted as truth about Miami being an important headquarters for Latin American Headquarters ,is dispelled in this same source:
Quote:
In Latin America leading cities such as Santiago,Sao Paulo,offer a comparatively high quality,without being less radically financially attractive than key regional competitors. [i]Whilest not competing directly with key North American cities,these cities will be key contenders for Latin American headquarters[/I]
Atlanta ranks 14th in number of International Headquarters.3rd in the Us after New York and Chicago.It ranks 4th in North America.
Maybe this will also show you what I mean"
FDI
“Top 10 Major American Cities of the Future 2013/2014”
Business Friendliness
1. New York, NY, USA
2. Toronto, ON, Canada
3. Montreal, QC, Canada
4. Santiago, Chile
5. Houston, TX, USA
6. ATLANTA, GA, USA
7. Miami, FL, USA
8. San Francisco, CA, USA
9. Bogotá, CD, Columbia
10. Mexico City, FD, Mexico
Source: fDi Magazine, April/May 2013
PC WORLD
“America’s Most Tech-Friendly Cities”
1. San Jose, CA
2. ATLANTA, GA
3. Boston, MA
4. Minneapolis, MN
5. San Francisco, CA
6. New York, NY
7. Austin, TX
8. Seattle, WA
9. Miami, FL
10. Dallas, TX
Source: pcworld.com, “America’s Most Tech-Friendly Cities,” April 2013
FORBES
“The Best Cities for New College Grads in 2013”
(in alphabetical order)
ATLANTA, GA
Boston, MA
Dallas, TX
Denver, CO
Houston, TX
Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN
Raleigh, NC
Seattle, WA
St. Louis, MO
Washington, D.C.
Source: Forbes, 3.19.2013
“Top 5 U.S. Logistics Cities”
1. Chicago, IL
2. Los Angeles, CA
3. Houston, TX
4. Memphis, TN
5. ATLANTA, GA Source: Supply Chain Digital, 6.23.2013
“Top 10 Most Literate Cities in America”
1. Washington, D.C.
2. Seattle, WA
3. Minneapolis, MN
4. Pittsburgh, PA
5. Denver, CO
6. St. Paul, MN
7. Boston, MA
8. ATLANTA, GA
9. St. Louis, MO
10. Portland, OR
Source: Central Connecticut State University, “America’s Most Literate
Cities,” 2.9.2013
CIO
“15 Top Cities for Tech Startups”
1. San Francisco, CA
2. San Jose, CA
3. New York, NY
4. Boston, MA
5. Los Angeles, CA
6. Washington, D.C.
7. Seattle, WA
8. Austin, TX
9. Philadelphia, PA
10. Chicago, IL
11. Oakland, CA
12. ATLANTA, GA
13. Pittsburgh, PA
14. Denver, CO
15. Boulder, CO
Source: CIO.com, 2.13.2013
BROOKINGS INSTITUTE
“Export Nation 2013”
2012 Exports by Metro (millions of dollars)
1. Los Angeles, CA $93,871.65
2. New York, NY $88,561.78
3. Houston, TX $77,765.52
4. Chicago, IL $66,217.27
5. Dallas/Ft Worth, TX $54,238.63
6. Seattle, WA $47,103.72
7. San Francisco, CA $38,046.75
8. Detroit, MI $37,996.94
9. Boston, MA $37,213.80
10. San Jose, CA $34,641.22
11. Portland, OR $33,941.46
12. Philadelphia, PA $29,121.94
13. ATLANTA, GA $25,547.67
14. Minneapolis, MN $22,163.16
15. Washington, D.C. $21,789.28
Source: Brookings Institute, 9.17.2013
“Top Five Annual Job Producers”
1. New York, NY +124,400
2. Houston, TX +97,700
3. Dallas, TX +77,500
4. ATLANTA, GA +72,000
5. Chicago, IL +69,800
Source: AXIOMetrics Inc, July 2013
“Top Cities with the Most Energy Star Certified
Buildings in 2012”
# of Energy Star Certified Buildings in 2012
1. Los Angeles , CA 528
2. Washington, D.C. 462
3. Chicago, IL 353
4. New York, NY 325
5. ATLANTA, GA 304
6. San Francisco, CA 291
7. Houston, TX 241
8. Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 214
9. Phoenix, AZ 202
10. Boston, MA 188
Source: Environmental Protection Agency, 3.12.2013
World Rankings
#8 Most competitive city in the world for shared
services center operations
#10 Most competitive city in the world for software
development operations
#10 Most competitive city in the world for financial
services operations
#14 Most competitive city in the world for international
headquarter operations
Source: Site Selection & IBM Global Business Services, December
2013
i should note that Miami is on its way up and will continue that rise but its by far not the only U.S. rising.That has always been my point.
Another interesting fact that I made a similar comment about earlier is that the expansion of the Panama Canal,Atlanta is poised to benefit even more so than Miami as a key international trading center.Notice in one of the list,Atlanta is one of the top cities for exports in the U.S.
The interesting thing is that the silly argument that some of the Miami posters as posted as truth about Miami being an important headquarters for Latin American Headquarters ,is dispelled in this same source:
Atlanta ranks 14th in number of International Headquarters.3rd in the Us after New York and Chicago.It ranks 4th in North America.
+1
Also, gone head and talk about higher education in Atlanta vs Miami while you at it, with cha bad self!
The criteria for city tiers, you set forward doesn't show Atlanta to be in a higher tier than Miami, it's just a random list of rankings based on criteria Atlanta excels at over Miami. When discussing cities, amenities, int'l travel, public transit, int'l recognition etc some of the rankings you posted have no weight in those factors. Some of the links you posted, even put Miami in higher positions than most folks would even agree with. If those links were posted by a Miami poster, folks would question the validity of the website, based on how high Miami ranks. I'm surprised no ones raising hell over Miami being ranked the 9th most "tech-friendly city" over Dallas, and Los Angeles. Or Miami being7th most business-friendly. I'm sure I posted how high of a tech-friendly city Miami was in another thread, and got shot-down by some LA posters. I think this was a couple years agp.
Other Miami posters have posted that Miami is a business-friendly city, and have been shot-down because of the lack of commerce the city has. Some of those rankings go down to 15 or only to 5, based on where Atlanta is ranked. If Atlanta misses the top 10 on one list, than you go down to 15 to show Atlanta's ranking, or limit it to 5 if ATL makes the top 5.
I'll give you job-producing cities, exporting cities, and cities for college-grads. But Star Energy Certified cities, tech-friendly cities, city literacy-rates, and cities with best tech-start ups aren't make or brake for ranking city tiers, in terms of importance, recognition, prominence, and desirability. Those rankings didn't really push Atlanta above or beyond a tier. If anything, some of those rankings helped Miami, seems how throughout most of the thread, Miami's lack of big business, and commerce has been put on the forefront, even though one the rankings you posted put Miami in the top-10 for business friendliness. It was already noted Miami is a tourist-city, and it relies primarily on the service industry. But it's one the top 10 most tech-friendly cities, even over Dallas? What an honor. Some of those sources are, well, kinda interesting. They're just as interesting as the sources Miami599 posted in favor of Miami.
Atlanta without a question deserves to be an alpha city. The real question is why aren't Phily, Dallas, and Houston? I think it's wrong to discount Atlanta's accomplishments because GaWC missed the other 3. We all here know NYC, LA, Chicago, DC, San Francisco (Bay Area), Boston, Phily, Houston, DFW, Miami, and Atlanta are the leading US cities. Soon Seattle will be in that class and Detroit if it ever rebounds.
I hate to remind everyone but I think somewhere way back in this thread, RedJohn (exact name - I forget) pointed out the GaWC list is a list of city connections to LONDON - nothing more. Nothing against London, its one of the worlds greatest cities, but that is an absurd way to go around rating cities as Alpha this or Beta that.
The criteria for city tiers, you set forward doesn't show Atlanta to be in a higher tier than Miami, it's just a random list of rankings based on criteria Atlanta excels at over Miami. When discussing cities, amenities, int'l travel, public transit, int'l recognition etc some of the rankings you posted have no weight in those factors. Some of the links you posted, even put Miami in higher positions than most folks would even agree with. If those links were posted by a Miami poster, folks would question the validity of the website, based on how high Miami ranks. I'm surprised no ones raising hell over Miami being ranked the 9th most "tech-friendly city" over Dallas, and Los Angeles. Or Miami being7th most business-friendly. I'm sure I posted how high of a tech-friendly city Miami was in another thread, and got shot-down by some LA posters. I think this was a couple years agp.
Other Miami posters have posted that Miami is a business-friendly city, and have been shot-down because of the lack of commerce the city has. Some of those rankings go down to 15 or only to 5, based on where Atlanta is ranked. If Atlanta misses the top 10 on one list, than you go down to 15 to show Atlanta's ranking, or limit it to 5 if ATL makes the top 5.
I'll give you job-producing cities, exporting cities, and cities for college-grads. But Star Energy Certified cities, tech-friendly cities, city literacy-rates, and cities with best tech-start ups aren't make or brake for ranking city tiers, in terms of importance, recognition, prominence, and desirability. Those rankings didn't really push Atlanta above or beyond a tier. If anything, some of those rankings helped Miami, seems how throughout most of the thread, Miami's lack of big business, and commerce has been put on the forefront, even though one the rankings you posted put Miami in the top-10 for business friendliness. It was already noted Miami is a tourist-city, and it relies primarily on the service industry. But it's one the top 10 most tech-friendly cities, even over Dallas? What an honor. Some of those sources are, well, kinda interesting. They're just as interesting as the sources Miami599 posted in favor of Miami.
The ,inks I posted show nowhere Miami has dominated.Yet some of you think it should be considered ahead of other cities?Why?"because of ties to Latin America"?That was one of my main my points.
High tech economy is VERY important.It is the main industry most cities are fight to get those jobs and economy.Why do you think San Francisco and Boston rank so high?
Miami is tech friendly in the sense that it is a modern city that uses technology in ways that advance the city infrastructure and populace.There is no reason that anyone should have thought Miami should be lower by that metric.
It is NOT a center for "tech startups" or technology jobs by far.
Next thing is Miami ranks behind cities like Jackson MS,and even Jacksonville in household median incomes.Atlanta is #8.Per capita Miami ranks behind Birmingham!
Its poverty rate is almost 30%!That is more than double of Atlanta and even though Houston is high,Miami is still much higher.
As far as being buisness friendly that is why Miami is moving up.As all all of the cities that we have discussed.
Most of the sources Miami599 posted were largely bragging metrics that have no bearing on why Maimi should be ranked ahead of many other cities.They were basically centered around the same issue:Latin America.
First someof you guys said "Miami is the gateway to Latin America".Shot down!
Then it began a banking capital for Latin America.Then it was exposed that most of those banks are not even the largest players from Latin America.
I even exposed that Miami was NOT even the only place that was getting major business from the expansion of the Panama Canal.
I'm not trying to put down Miami but I honestly don't see how you and others can claim it belongs when it ranks so low overall in several metrics that other global cities rank high on.
Based on others statements I am not the only one who thinks so.Do you think we all are just hating on Miami.?
The ,inks I posted show nowhere Miami has dominated.Yet some of you think it should be considered ahead of other cities?Why?"because of ties to Latin America"?That was one of my main my points.
High tech economy is VERY important.It is the main industry most cities are fight to get those jobs and economy.Why do you think San Francisco and Boston rank so high?
Miami is tech friendly in the sense that it is a modern city that uses technology in ways that advance the city infrastructure and populace.There is no reason that anyone should have thought Miami should be lower by that metric.
It is NOT a center for "tech startups" or technology jobs by far.
Next thing is Miami ranks behind cities like Jackson MS,and even Jacksonville in household median incomes.Atlanta is #8.Per capita Miami ranks behind Birmingham!
Its poverty rate is almost 30%!That is more than double of Atlanta and even though Houston is high,Miami is still much higher.
As far as being buisness friendly that is why Miami is moving up.As all all of the cities that we have discussed.
Most of the sources Miami599 posted were largely bragging metrics that have no bearing on why Maimi should be ranked ahead of many other cities.They were basically centered around the same issue:Latin America.
First someof you guys said "Miami is the gateway to Latin America".Shot down!
Then it began a banking capital for Latin America.Then it was exposed that most of those banks are not even the largest players from Latin America.
I even exposed that Miami was NOT even the only place that was getting major business from the expansion of the Panama Canal.
I'm not trying to put down Miami but I honestly don't see how you and others can claim it belongs when it ranks so low overall in several metrics that other global cities rank high on.
Based on others statements I am not the only one who thinks so.Do you think we all are just hating on Miami.?
I'm not arguing Miami's place in the top 5, I'm only arguing that Miami's in the same tier as Atlanta, and is not a tier below, or above Atlanta. I'm arguing that the 2 cities are on the same tier. Other folks shot down the Miami699 poster because he said that Miami was the 3rd most important city in the US. I've heard no one else put Miami below Atlanta, or even Dallas in city tiers. It's already been established that GaWC is a joke, not just because of how high Miami is ranked, but also because most folks believe Atlanta was ranked too high. Miami is still the Nexus, and he main connection between most of Latin-America and the US. We know the banks in Miami are small-time, but still alot of Latin-American headquarters of large US companies are based out of Miami. And it's already been established that a great portion(probably the greatest portion) of Hispanic-American based media, shows, movies, entertainment, is based out of studios in and around Miami. Univision, UniMas, Telemundo, all have studios in Miami in which the most watched shows and movies in Hispanic-American households, are filmed. Considering that Hispanic-Americans are the largest Minority in the US, that gives Miami a pretty good standing in Hispanic-American based media. While Miami is faaar from being the capitol of Latin-America, like some posters like to think, I don't think Miami's place as the link between America and our neighbors to the South, should be downplayed. And FlyMia has discussed Miami's importance in aviation in this country. Re-read some of his post for some facts. Then there's Miami's importance as a national hurricane center, and a sever weather-tracking capital.
I'm not arguing Miami's place in the top 5, I'm only arguing that Miami's in the same tier as Atlanta, and is not a tier below, or above Atlanta. I'm arguing that the 2 cities are on the same tier. Other folks shot down the Miami699 poster because he said that Miami was the 3rd most important city in the US. I've heard no one else put Miami below Atlanta, or even Dallas in city tiers. It's already been established that GaWC is a joke, not just because of how high Miami is ranked, but also because most folks believe Atlanta was ranked too high. Miami is still the Nexus, and he main connection between most of Latin-America and the US. We know the banks in Miami are small-time, but still alot of Latin-American headquarters of large US companies are based out of Miami. And it's already been established that a great portion(probably the greatest portion) of Hispanic-American based media, shows, movies, entertainment, is based out of studios in and around Miami. Univision, UniMas, Telemundo, all have studios in Miami in which the most watched shows and movies in Hispanic-American households, are filmed. Considering that Hispanic-Americans are the largest Minority in the US, that gives Miami a pretty good standing in Hispanic-American based media. While Miami is faaar from being the capitol of Latin-America, like some posters like to think, I don't think Miami's place as the link between America and our neighbors to the South, should be downplayed. And FlyMia has discussed Miami's importance in aviation in this country. Re-read some of his post for some facts. Then there's Miami's importance as a national hurricane center, and a sever weather-tracking capital.
Atually people said Atlanta ,Dallas,and Houston are about the same.Not that Atlanta was ranked to high.
Many people have said Miami was ranked to high.You even asked yourself why people thought that.
So no.I do not think Miami is on the same tier as Atlanta,Dallas,and Houston.
If you went by GDP then you would agree that Atlanta and Boston should be the same.Houston and Dallas are considerbly higher in GDP.Neither of them are ranked as high as Miami or Atlanta or Boston..
You also mentioned Miami importance in Media to Latin America but Atlanta with CNN/Turner Broadcasting and its ranking as the nations 4th largest movie production area and fastest growing,reaches far more areas than JUST Latin America.I mean "The Walking Dead" is known around the world!
Now yes Miami does have an indusrty for aviation,but comparitively speaking its very small as a part of Miami's economy.Its just that it happens to be something bigger than in many cities.
Its not like they have plants where they are building planes.Its mosly training.
Yeah it is, as well as the Miami vs Dallas & Houston bs.
I think people see Miami ranked above their city in Texas or Georgia and they freak out. They say to themselves (and us on CD), "how can this be, we have the most oil fields in N.A.," or "we have the busiest airport in the world...," which is all true (and only a part of what those great cities offer), BUT they fail to realize just how unique Miami, Florida is. Miami is literally known the world over as a destination, more specifically for Latin American peoples and for a very good reason. Being in Miami is like being in a foreign country, the same cannot be said for the diverse, but very American Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston. In certain neighborhoods of Miami, the feel is so foreign, you actually feel like you've been dropped into Havana, Rio, or some other tropical location far away. Generations of immigrants to the US have settled in Miami and therefore a pipeline of sorts has existed bringing a constant stream of ethnic flavor to South Florida. Then add to this anomaly of an American city, South Beach and it's worldwide pull simply as a resort destination with EPIC nightlife, dining, and shopping, plus it's ability to attract both the Hollywood and regular elite, at rates that make Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston seem like regional backwaters, and you have the perfect, albeit craziest, mix that places Miami where it is on the list. Oh and then there's the climate, which at first may seem irrelevant, but I believe being the only mainland US city with a true tropical climate plays into all these other factors and is why you'll never see as much glitz, glam, and international dominance in the other cities as Miami. Hell, if I hopped in my car I could be there by a half past noon and the temperature would go from a frosty 55F here in CFL to a nice 79F beach day, which gives Miami even more of it's appeal worldwide.
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That was one of my main my points.
