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Old 01-16-2014, 05:59 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Yeah, it's true.

The public statement was released by P.J. Taylor himself, the guy who invented the Alpha-Beta-Gamma stratas in GaWC. He published it at the turn of the new millennium for the first time, it became an instantly popular index people, mainly bloggers would use to cite in reference to their cities. However, P.J. Taylor cleared up that people have been interpreting his stratas incorrectly. His ranking is NOT nor has ever been intended to be a ranking of the world's most prominent/powerful/important cities, but merely stratas for the level of interconnectivity (intensive/extensive) world cities have to London, by number of firms from particular financial or law institutions.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/membe...ap-image-5.bmp

They don't really have any other criteria. So things like government, energy, tech, entertainment, logistics, they aren't weighted. It's the firms, which is why you'll see smaller European cities (like Frankfurt, Zurich, Geneva, Stockholm, so on) beat out American cities or other cities. It's more than likely they have a higher per capita concentration of firms with links into London.
So basically the GaWC list is about London connections? That's what makes a city Alpha or Beta or whatever?

I find this difficult to believe. I mean think about it. The Chicago to Toronto or the LA to Houston or the Philadelphia to Seattle connections, etc may be HUGE but they do not count because it is not London? HUGE Pan-Asian trade is not recognized because its between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian cities etc. but not London?

Ok here is the question - Is London a top Alpha ++ city because it is extremely well connected to............. London!
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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Miami is like the goodlooking tall, athletic dude, thats endowed, and gets all the pretty girls but is dumb as he\_\_. Houston is the like nerdy "nice" dude that has been friendzoned numerous times by women who always cry to him about how much of a jerk Miami is.
False analogy.
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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So basically the GaWC list is about London connections? That's what makes a city Alpha or Beta or whatever?

I find this difficult to believe. I mean think about it. The Chicago to Toronto or the LA to Houston or the Philadelphia to Seattle connections, etc may be HUGE but they do not count because it is not London? HUGE Pan-Asian trade is not recognized because its between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indian cities etc. but not London?

Ok here is the question - Is London a top Alpha ++ city because it is extremely well connected to............. London!
Well the guy originally just made it for London. It was everyone else that took the ranking and rambunctiously boosted it without knowing it's meaning for 14 years before he finally cleared that up, after being scrutinized heavily for some of his lists.

London is the base. That's why they rank it even ahead of New York. Like someone else mentioned earlier back in this thread, where they are ranked in their tiers is where they are actually ranked. It's not in alphabetical order. Also, aside from the firms and possible high end shopping, there is no quantifiable reason to justify how a place like Tokyo and a place like Dubai ended up in the exact same tier.

They explain all of this on their own site, through several of it's bulletin messages and news updates. It just seems like to me that the people who pound their chest the absolute hardest with this study rarely ever read what it's ranking. Like a moth to the flame effect.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:15 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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It's definitely biased towards London, b/c many of the firms they give the most weight to are out of London. The list essentially ranks what cities have the most foreign offices in their city and most of their offices around the globe usually for professional services, accounting, law, finance. Also the bigger the company is, the higher weight they give it... So Baker & McKenzie or KPMG get way higher rankings if they have an office in your city.

Mercer QOL is similar, it's basically like heyyy what are some cities we can go open up offices in. One of their criteria is traffic congestion... that's why you see places like Auckland and Zurich in the top 5, tiny cities, of course there isn't much traffic congestion.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Breaking News: Dumb people in Miami suddenly think they are on top of the world, rest of the world is Lebron Jamesing.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:27 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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I can totally see Miami hosting an Olympic games. It would be great.
Might be too hot/humid and threat of hurricanes. Rio is hosting the summer olympics in their winter b/c it's in Southern Hemisphere.

Hot and humid weather is not great for setting world records or athletic performance.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Well the guy originally just made it for London. It was everyone else that took the ranking and rambunctiously boosted it without knowing it's meaning for 14 years before he finally cleared that up, after being scrutinized heavily for some of his lists.
Nah, Im pretty sure he LOVES the attention.

If he really wanted to clear this up he would have done it long ago by not being deliberately cryptic in his methodology and refusing to change it from Alpha, Beta and Gamma to something more indicative of a London Centric report.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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Might be too hot/humid and threat of hurricanes. Rio is hosting the summer olympics in their winter b/c it's in Southern Hemisphere.

Hot and humid weather is not great for setting world records or athletic performance.
If Miami was to have the Olympics. I like the idea but I don't see it happening I am sure they would have a dome stadium. But yes there would still be certain events which of course have to be outside no matter what. Athens is not exactly a cool place with an average high of 92F in the summer and they hosted it in 2004.

If Miami wants to seriously bid for the Olympics IMO they should have a joint bit with either all of South Florida or maybe even have a Miami-Orlando bid. Build one major stadium in Miami for opening and closing ceremonies, and split some events between Miami and Orlando.
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:00 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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If Miami was to have the Olympics. I like the idea but I don't see it happening I am sure they would have a dome stadium. But yes there would still be certain events which of course have to be outside no matter what. Athens is not exactly a cool place with an average high of 92F in the summer and they hosted it in 2004.

If Miami wants to seriously bid for the Olympics IMO they should have a joint bit with either all of South Florida or maybe even have a Miami-Orlando bid. Build one major stadium in Miami for opening and closing ceremonies, and split some events between Miami and Orlando.
Athens is a Mediterranean climate, it isn't really humid at all, same with LA, same with Sydney. Most of Miami's major events like hosting the super bowl or the Miami Marathon are in the winter. Florida Ironman is also in the winter. Olympics have never been hosted in a tropical place in summer, this is the first tropical locale, and fittingly it is in their winter. I mean Atlanta was really pushing it in 1996 and many of those athletes went and trained in a hot/humid conditions before going for months.
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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Miami is on the come up...
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