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Old 01-16-2014, 09:32 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Exactly what I was going to say as well, since when did Miami become the financial center for South America?
It's not Sao Paulo is
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Atlanta Metro Area (OTP North)
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^^^ That
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:10 PM
 
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Nah, Im pretty sure he LOVES the attention.

If he really wanted to clear this up he would have done it long ago by not being deliberately cryptic in his methodology and refusing to change it from Alpha, Beta and Gamma to something more indicative of a London Centric report.
He made it as a pet project to see where his city is most linked to. That's understandable but he leaked it to the world and never explained what in the heck it meant.

To make matters worse, Wikipedia just puts all these global cities lists from different agencies altogether on the same page. So it makes it look like GaWC has all these criterias and is a well studied report, when in reality all that information is other rankings' criteria, from different think-tank altogether.

Like he said though, you cant stop him. Fame is something else, if not a huge marketing tool.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:14 PM
 
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Lord also said the whole state of Florida will fall under the same predicament as Miami, as far as income disparity goes, and Miami becoming the Rio of America. Central and Western Pennsylvania, while beautiful as far as mountains, hills, and natural scenery, isn't necessarily an area of growth or economic sustainability either. But I guess since most of the poor folks in those parts of PA are WHITE , they won't be given the same "3rd world" label as South Floridians, and their swarthy skin, and dreadlocks. I hope Miami does become the Rio of America, maybe it'll host an Olympics.
What does "swarthy skin and dreadlocks" have to do with what I was saying?

Maybe my previous comment was drastic and I was just trying to make observations on how metropolitan Miami can be LIKE a US VERSION of Rio. It's no different than saying that Philadelphia is LIKE NYC or Boston is LIKE some city in Europe. The comparisons help paint a picture, but don't really say everything (we already know that many consider nothing in the U.S., not even Philly, to be like NYC. But the comparison can help). But the Miami metro can use Rio as a good example.

Like Rio, you have a local economy based off tourism and a lot of locals are needed to support such industry. Many of those people end up being broke, especially with the increase in CoL. There's also all these wealthy foreigners who buy local real estate and become temporary/seasonal residents (like Russians in the winter or Brazilians and Venezuelans in their chosen season). Basically, many of those people come here to spend money, not to make it. For many residents, you need to leave metro Miami for the opportunities and then you can come back with the money you made from else where.

There is also the fact that SFL (and Florida in general) continues to grow and that leads to more sprawled out housing developments. A lot of these developments end up being out in the boondocks, house many new low-income residents, and even seem to lack resources. Examples would be Lehigh Acres, Poinciana, and all those developments popping up in South Dade. To be honest with you, it seems like a lot of the poor and working-class are getting pushed out into the suburbs. So basically, there is a lot of work to be done in Florida, especially Miami.

(Btw, there ARE goods jobs down here if you look for them, but a good majority are basic service-based jobs and that's enough to bring about economic distress in many areas. Also, many of the good jobs require "higher education", something which a lot of people in Florida (especially immigrants) also lack.)
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:16 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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He made it as a pet project to see where his city is most linked to. That's understandable but he leaked it to the world and never explained what in the heck it meant.

To make matters worse, Wikipedia just puts all these global cities lists from different agencies altogether on the same page. So it makes it look like GaWC has all these criterias and is a well studied report, when in reality all that information is other rankings' criteria, from different think-tank altogether.

Like he said though, you cant stop him. Fame is something else, if not a huge marketing tool.
Plus this list is outdated.
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:18 AM
 
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What does "swarthy skin and dreadlocks" have to do with what I was saying?

Maybe my previous comment was drastic and I was just trying to make observations on how metropolitan Miami can be LIKE a US VERSION of Rio. It's no different than saying that Philadelphia is LIKE NYC or Boston is LIKE some city in Europe. The comparisons help paint a picture, but don't really say everything (we already know that many consider nothing in the U.S., not even Philly, to be like NYC. But the comparison can help). But the Miami metro can use Rio as a good example.

Like Rio, you have a local economy based off tourism and a lot of locals are needed to support such industry. Many of those people end up being broke, especially with the increase in CoL. There's also all these wealthy foreigners who buy local real estate and become temporary/seasonal residents (like Russians in the winter or Brazilians and Venezuelans in their chosen season). Basically, many of those people come here to spend money, not to make it. For many residents, you need to leave metro Miami for the opportunities and then you can come back with the money you made from else where.

There is also the fact that SFL (and Florida in general) continues to grow and that leads to more sprawled out housing developments. A lot of these developments end up being out in the boondocks, house many new low-income residents, and even seem to lack resources. Examples would be Lehigh Acres, Poinciana, and all those developments popping up in South Dade. To be honest with you, it seems like a lot of the poor and working-class are getting pushed out into the suburbs. So basically, there is a lot of work to be done in Florida, especially Miami.

(Btw, there ARE goods jobs down here if you look for them, but a good majority are basic service-based jobs and that's enough to bring about economic distress in many areas. Also, many of the good jobs require "higher education", something which a lot of people in Florida (especially immigrants) also lack.)
This is literally happening in every major city in America that's booming. The inner-city is getting expensive everywhere, and more of the poor are being forced to the burbs as the inner-city gentrifies.
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Old 01-17-2014, 02:56 AM
 
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Well that's the way I see it. Not saying Miami is not a great city but the Miami area does not seem to me on the same level as Houston, Dallas or Atlanta areas. And definitely not equal to San Francisco and Boston or just below Chicago.
Miami's GDP is right near Atlanta, and Miami has just as much foreign recognition. How is it a tier below Atlanta? I can see it being below Houston or Dallas for economic reasons. Should Miami be downgraded to a high-sufficiency city?
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:17 AM
 
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Miami's GDP is right near Atlanta, and Miami has just as much foreign recognition. How is it a tier below Atlanta? I can see it being below Houston or Dallas for economic reasons. Should Miami be downgraded to a high-sufficiency city?
Well the rankings are not based on economics so Miami being ranked higher than Houston or Dallas according criteria does push it above both Texas cities.
What are they known for? Oil and if it didn't exist nobody might not ever know Houston or Dallas.

Miami is blessed by it's geography being a gateway between North & South America, populated by New Yorkers (who founded the city) and being multi-lingual at the same time (3 official languages English, Spanish, Creole).

It's funny because there is no industry in Miami compared to Houston or Dallas and at least Atlanta had railroads. Miami could have been another "beach town" in Florida yet it is now one of the top economies in the US.

People overseas will know Miami first before Atlanta! As for your Question? Mention "Dallas" overseas and the first Question will be "Who shot JR?"!
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Denver
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What are they known for? Oil and if it didn't exist nobody might not ever know Houston or Dallas.
Using this train of thought, you could say without the cocaine trade, Miami would still be a sleepy little beach town with, to quote the late Jon Roberts, "a bunch of old people sitting in rocking chairs waiting to die". Without the gold rush, the SF Bay may have never become what it did. If the US Capital didn't leave Philadelphia for Washington DC, that area of the Potomac may still just be a giant swamp and Philadelphia could be America's alpha city. There are millions of hypotheticals out there, but the fact is oil exists and people know Houston & Dallas, so there's no point in playing the "if this critical economic lynchpin didn't exist, then City X wouldn't be so important" game.
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Yeah, pretty accurate.
Not really.
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