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And any stats should be taken with a grain of salt...the CPD has been caught manipulating data...and then there is the fact that emergency trauma care continues to advance over the years...many of those who were wounded (some 1500 plus so far) may have died decades ago.
And any stats should be taken with a grain of salt...the CPD has been caught manipulating data...and then there is the fact that emergency trauma care continues to advance over the years...many of those who were wounded (some 1500 plus so far) may have died decades ago.
The website you quote includes justifiable homicides and police shootings in their numbers, most other trackers do not. Shootings have also decreased over the past decade. Also, while medical technology has improved over the years, it is very difficult to argue that is entirely the cause of the improving homicides stats. And if you do so, you have to argue that the decrease in homicides in NYC and LA are also largely due to improving medical care.
The website you quote includes justifiable homicides and police shootings in their numbers, most other trackers do not. Shootings have also decreased over the past decade. Also, while medical technology has improved over the years, it is very difficult to argue that is entirely the cause of the improving homicides stats. And if you do so, you have to argue that the decrease in homicides in NYC and LA are also largely due to improving medical care.
Medical technology has made a big difference, though I don't think it's the biggest cause of improvement. However, shootings have increased in NYC this year over last while homicides have decreased. Either:
1) Shooters have worse aim this year, possible as shootings seem to increasingly by inexperienced teenagers rather than professional criminals.
2) Medical care improved
3) Non-shooting deaths decreased. In 2012, 57% of murders in NYC were with a gun*. Can't find data for other years.
*Huh, Chicago's % looks much higher, is that right?
Medical technology has made a big difference, though I don't think it's the biggest cause of improvement. However, shootings have increased in NYC this year over last while homicides have decreased. Either:
1) Shooters have worse aim this year, possible as shootings seem to increasingly by inexperienced teenagers rather than professional criminals.
2) Medical care improved
3) Non-shooting deaths decreased. In 2012, 57% of murders in NYC were with a gun*. Can't find data for other years.
*Huh, Chicago's % looks much higher, is that right?
My guess is Chicago has a much higher % gang population, and they use guns to kill each other. I would bet over 90% of homicides in Chicago are gang related.
My guess is Chicago has a much higher % gang population, and they use guns to kill each other. I would bet over 90% of homicides in Chicago are gang related.
I believe NY also has laws which mandate minimum jail time if you're arrested illegally carrying a gun. Illinois does not have such a law, so there's much less fear of going out in public armed.
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I believe NY also has laws which mandate minimum jail time if you're arrested illegally carrying a gun. Illinois does not have such a law, so there's much less fear of going out in public armed.
Well, we definitely could use a law like that in Illinois.
Well, we definitely could use a law like that in Illinois.
Such a law was proposed in 2013 in Springfield, but was tabled. Supt McCarthy spoke out in favor of it, but many politicians from minority neighborhoods were opposed because they argued that it would lead to even higher levels of incarceration within their communities, plus there's the issue of how to pay for all the additional prisoners.
Such a law was proposed in 2013 in Springfield, but was tabled. Supt McCarthy spoke out in favor of it, but many politicians from minority neighborhoods were opposed because they argued that it would lead to even higher levels of incarceration within their communities, plus there's the issue of how to pay for all the additional prisoners.
Thanks, I was completely unaware of that. Kind of infuriating that people would be against it. Much better than gun control laws, which obviously have not worked.
And any stats should be taken with a grain of salt...the CPD has been caught manipulating data...and then there is the fact that emergency trauma care continues to advance over the years...many of those who were wounded (some 1500 plus so far) may have died decades ago.
1) I cannot believe anybody would think that official police statistics for homicides would magically not include anything but shootings? I mean, your posts are usually kind of sane, but.....................this one is just.....I have no words. It's just absolutely absurd. To think that.
2) HeyJackass is an interesting site, but their stats are ALWAYS too high. If you want to see a more legitimate 3rd party source, you look at the Redeye's homicide tracker. The only thing is that they include self defense homicides, which is something the FBI doesn't count. Even so, their numbers with that are very close to what the police department reports. The Red Eye looks more at reports, the news, etc. and their totals are still something like 35 below HeyJackass.
Also regarding shootings, if you look at the Chicago Tribune's site, you'll realize that shootings this year have slowed down a bit. A few months back, this year was on track to be about the same as last year if not more. However, as of 9/12 at the current rate, there may be 300 less victims this year versus last year.
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Medical technology has made a big difference, though I don't think it's the biggest cause of improvement. However, shootings have increased in NYC this year over last while homicides have decreased.
I thought that once too until I found an article from 1992 talking about shootings in Chicago. I calculated out the percentages and you actually had a better chance of living if you were involved in a shooting back in 1992 versus 2013. I'm not sure if their aim was off back in the day, but it's true.
Citywide, during the first six months of 1992, the 7,285 shootings was an increase of 8 percent over last year.
In 2013, there were 2185 shooting victims in Chicago. That means there were 3.33X more shootings in Chicago in the first months of 1992 than the entirety of 2013. Calculate the percentages and you realize that the percentage of people who actually die from shootings is greater today than when there were 12,000 - 15,000 shootings per year.
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