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That happened one time, lol. Like literally one day.
There was were a few stations closed over the summer on a section of the Red line. Those stations are now back open. I have been on MTA in NY and seen stations closed for maintenance, so yes. Run of the mill issues IMO.
This all sidesteps the point of the CTA system under performing for a city of it's size. This point cannot be side stepped no matter the motives of anyone commenting in this thread.
And where are your current on time performance stats coming from? Metro has been on a two year Safetrack program that intentionally was done to improve safety of the system, at the expense of those performance percentages. Come back to me in 2020 with an on time performance percentage and lets see where the two systems at full speed fare to.
Ok and that's not normal and rather unprecedented, it's still worth pointing out. Closing entire stations aren't run of the mill issues, NYC is in crisis mode right now too so not really a good comparison there.
You're trying to sidestep and downplay service quality issues which is far more important to current riders of any transit system than what percentage of the rest of the city takes it. SF has a higher percentage of transit users than Chicago too, does that make its system better?
Yes I'm sure in the future Metro will improve but as I pointed out at this moment in time someone may choose Chicago's system now as being better given Metro's current situation. I never suggested things were going to stay the same or worsen.
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Ok and that's not normal and rather unprecedented, it's still worth pointing out. Closing entire stations aren't run of the mill issues, NYC is in crisis mode right now too so not really a good comparison there.
You're trying to sidestep and downplay service quality issues which is far more important to current riders of any transit system than what percentage of the rest of the city takes it. SF has a higher percentage of transit users than Chicago too, does that make its system better?
Yes I'm sure in the future Metro will improve but as I pointed out at this moment in time someone may choose Chicago's system now as being better given Metro's current situation. I never suggested things were going to stay the same or worsen.
So you sidestep and downplay lower volume on the system, I downplay either one time or planned maintenance/performance issues that are common on any major system. Fine.
Still doesn't wipe away the more than 200 million yearly trips that aren't a "nightmare":
It isn’t just size that makes D.C.’s transit system the best in the U.S. The typical transit commuter in D.C. spends 36 minutes traveling to work each day. That is 10 minutes below the average for the 136 cities in SmartAsset’s study. It is also just 8.6 minutes slower than the typical commute time for a driver in the District, the smallest difference among cities in which a significant percentage of the population relies on transit.
So you sidestep and downplay lower volume on the system, I downplay either one time or planned maintenance/performance issues that are common on any major system. Fine.
Still doesn't wipe away the more than 200 million yearly trips that aren't a "nightmare":
It isn’t just size that makes D.C.’s transit system the best in the U.S. The typical transit commuter in D.C. spends 36 minutes traveling to work each day. That is 10 minutes below the average for the 136 cities in SmartAsset’s study. It is also just 8.6 minutes slower than the typical commute time for a driver in the District, the smallest difference among cities in which a significant percentage of the population relies on transit.
Not sidestepping or downplaying Metro's ridership #'s, I never indicated that they aren't good or don't matter. I honestly can't recall an entire transit system being shut down for safety/maintenance issues, not sure why you think that is common. I've never seen BART close down multiple stations for several weeks.
No one ever disputed DC's ridership so not really sure what your point is with that. Just pointing our current service quality issues that may make some people reconsider their initial choice since this thread was started.
According to that link SF is 2nd best, you agree with that?
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Not sidestepping or downplaying Metro's ridership #'s, I never indicated that they aren't good or don't matter. I honestly can't recall an entire transit system being shut down for safety/maintenance issues, not sure why you think that is common. I've never seen BART close down multiple stations for several weeks.
No one ever disputed DC's ridership so not really sure what your point is with that. Just pointing our current service quality issues that may make some people reconsider their initial choice since this thread was started.
According to that link SF is 2nd best, you agree with that?
What is so uncommon about stations being shutdown for repairs? What are you talking about?
And for BART maybe it is more effective per capita than some of the others, idk.
NYCT is terrible and WMATA is much worse. NYCT got into their current situation by delaying necessary maintenance. WMATA did the same but coupled that with incompetence. They are so bad that the federal government nearly stepped in to manage it. The shut downs for repairs have been significant and the ridership has responded by leaving. That’s what I’ve been reading.
And for BART maybe it is more effective per capita than some of the others, idk.
Yeah and AGAIN I wouldn't be using NYC as an example to compare to considering all the service quality issues they are having right now as well. NYC's system is also over 100 years old, I kind of would more expect that from century olds systems today, not one built in the 70's.
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Yeah and AGAIN I wouldn't be using NYC as an example to compare to considering all the service quality issues they are having right now as well. NYC's system is also over 100 years old, I kind of would more expect that from century olds systems today, not one built in the 70's.
The point is big busy systems like MTA and WMATA require constant maintenance not once every 100 years .
Imagine if there were no stations closed for maintenance for the next 45-50 years in DC, MTA is a direct example of that.
The point is big busy systems like MTA and WMATA require constant maintenance not once every 100 years .
Imagine if there were no stations closed for maintenance for the next 45-50 years in DC, MTA is a direct example of that.
Having to close entire stations for weeks or months at a time is the result of deferring maintenance until a point where you have no other choice . DC isn't a 24-hour system so there really is no good reason why they would even need to do that. That's the result of bad maintenance management there, not usage. You realize most systems do maintenance work like that while the system is shut down right? DC Metro has been all over the news for its mismanagement so not sure why you're acting like this is some typical thing that agencies do, it's not. This is a worst case scenario.
I never said anything to suggest they do maintenance every 45, 50, or 100 years. That was such a bizarre thing to imply. Older systems generally require more maintenance than new one's, that was my point there with NYC's subway age. But even that that is a result of not properly maintaining their system.
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