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Latinos and Asians are the 2 communities that have no connection to the south. Since their communities don't originate in the US. Does any person believe 10 million Latinos and a million Asians are southerners? Latinos and Asians in Boston don't develop New England accents so why would they be different in the south?
In numbers TX will have more southerners but in numbers also has millions more people with no southern affiliation than FL.
Your question is a wash but if you want to see which one is less southern because it's more foreign. Look at # of foreign language speakers in FL and TX.
Latinos and Asians are the 2 communities that have no connection to the south. Since their communities don't originate in the US. Does any person believe 10 million Latinos and a million Asians are southerners? Latinos and Asians in Boston don't develop New England accents so why would they be different in the south?
In numbers TX will have more southerners but in numbers also has millions more people with no southern affiliation than FL.
Your question is a wash but if you want to see which one is less southern because it's more foreign. Look at # of foreign language speakers in FL and TX.
>implying many of those "Hispanics" and "Asians" didn't gain any Southern traits
>implying Southern cultural traits are only applicable to Whites and Blacks
>implying most of the South doesn't have massive amounts of immigration
Almost all Whites and Blacks have origins outside the United States, BTW. You're implying a lot of implications
>implying many of those "Hispanics" and "Asians" didn't gain any Southern traits
>implying Southern cultural traits are only applicable to Whites and Blacks
>implying most of the South doesn't have massive amounts of immigration
Almost all Whites and Blacks have origins outside the United States, BTW. You're implying a lot of implications
Go ahead and check to see how many of those blacks and whites can speak foreign languages. I'm suggesting more foreign language speakers is less southern. Fact.
FL:
4,959,186
27.6%
TX:
8,221,202
34.7%
US:
60,577,020
20.8%
What did we learn Piano Ball? Millions of foreign language speakers in both states, possibilities of southern accents to 8 million and 4 million foreign tounges is likely improbable.
In total numbers TX has more southerners but in total numbers also has less southerners. TX>FL>TX IMO
Interesting MIA, HOU, and DAL are some of the least region cultured cities in US. Foreign language speakers dilute that.
MIA
51.3%
2,740,101
HOU
37%
2,111,268
DAL
28.9%
1,839,833
IMO FL and TX are not quintessential southern states but if I ranked it would be TX>FL>TX. Southern to not southern.
Last edited by Vermont66; 02-12-2014 at 01:25 AM..
>implying many of those "Hispanics" and "Asians" didn't gain any Southern traits
>implying Southern cultural traits are only applicable to Whites and Blacks
>implying most of the South doesn't have massive amounts of immigration
Foreign language speakers prove most of the south excl. FL and TX are still majorly English speaking domestically rooted (RE : more southern).
Latinos and Asians are the 2 communities that have no connection to the south. Since their communities don't originate in the US. Does any person believe 10 million Latinos and a million Asians are southerners? Latinos and Asians in Boston don't develop New England accents so why would they be different in the south?
In numbers TX will have more southerners but in numbers also has millions more people with no southern affiliation than FL.
Your question is a wash but if you want to see which one is less southern because it's more foreign. Look at # of foreign language speakers in FL and TX.
I disagree Florida's population is made up of more transplants from the Midwest, NE, and outside the country than Texas which is why Florida ranks 50th in percentage of native born residents at 35 percent, even less than Washington DC at 37 percent and only Nevada has less natives at 24 percent, while 60 percent of Texas' population was born in Texas.
Texas is too geographically large to classify it as a Southern only state. Its a mixture of Southern & Southwestern depending on where you are at.
While I agree with this, Florida has had much more what I call "cultural swallowing" than Texas has had. There are areas in south Florida particularly that simply don't reflect southern culture at all. I don't know how much Cuban culture there was in south Florida 100 years ago but it has certainly swallowed a good portion of south Florida. NY culture is huge in south Florida and on and on.
In Texas, the latino;hispanic culture has exploded but has always been in Texas to some degree or another, however Texas "cultural swallowing" is just now occurring with perhaps the Vietnamese influence in southeast Texas being an exception. For instance, in the NE Ft. Worth suburbs we are seeing large numbers of Pacific Islanders taking up residence.
What did we learn Piano Ball? Millions of foreign language speakers in both states, possibilities of southern accents to 8 million and 4 million foreign tounges is likely improbable.
That's why I posted the thread to begin with. SoFla seems to be the most non-Southern metro located in the "South" with Central FL and HOU/DAL in roughly the same sphere. ATX and SA seem to be closer to the Miami metric but then again I remember former attorney general Alberto Gonzales who was from TX but spoke with a TX accent.
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IMO FL and TX are not quintessential southern states but if I ranked it would be TX>FL>TX. Southern to not southern.
Texas. Southern Florida feels like you could be in Latin America and the Caribbean.
What about the Rio Grande Valley up to Corpus and Far Western Texas? What does that feel like?
Texas does have a much larger Asian and Latino population than Florida. But both Florida and Texas were pretty much black and white states up until the 1950s at least. In both states, the Hispanic population in some segments have assimilated into the Southern culture. But very few Asians assimilate with the Southern culture in Texas. I think that was Vermont66's point.
I will still say Texas is more Southern than Florida. But it's not head over heels more Southern either. Miami has always been a Southern city. It's just been heavily diluted. Houston's and Dallas is rapidly being diluted nowadays as well with Dallas being a bit more diluted than Houston.
It is about a wash IMHO. East Texas and North Florida are really the only strongholds left with real southern culture in either state.
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