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There's a big difference between a map I draw up and post on the internet and a map produced by the world's leading linguistics department. It's like the difference between citing a blog and citing a publication in an academic journal.
UPenn has the most reliable research of all because that's what they do. They collect millions and millions of voice samples and track how dialects and accents change over time. That's how we've been able to witness the southern dialect boundary shift down from DC and NOVA to around Fredericksburg since the 1980s. We've also witnessed the shift of the boundary up from Orlando since the 1980s. Today, that line only covers Northern Florida.
Better thread different reply What is More Southern State: Texas country and town vs Florida country and town.
Than what is More Southern State: Texas cities vs Florida cities.
There's a big difference between a map I draw up and post on the internet and a map produced by the world's leading linguistics department. It's like the difference between citing a blog and citing a publication in an academic journal.
UPenn has the most reliable research of all because that's what they do. They collect millions and millions of voice samples and track how dialects and accents change over time. That's how we've been able to witness the southern dialect boundary shift down from DC and NOVA to around Fredericksburg since the 1980s. We've also witnessed the shift of the boundary up from Orlando since the 1980s. Today, that line only covers Northern Florida.
You did see that I posted a Upenn map myself, right? You also did notice that I posted a survey from Harvard University Linguistics Department, right? Or did you even bother to open up that link at all?
You're comparing two states that have a Hispanic population of less than 1 million each to a state that has around 10 million and growing then those two combined? Guess what, Hispanics is recent in every state including Florida and Texas Hispanic population doubles Florida's. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Mexican imprint has made a huge mark in Texas the last 30 years and will become greater when they become the majority by 2020.
So when Georgia's Hispanic population reaches 25% (it's 10% now), it will no longer be a Deep South state even if it continues to hand Dems big defeats? I mean, why do you think Mexicans don't assimilate into southern culture? UPenn's research shows that they must be considering that the Southern American English zone extends as far South as San Antonio. Why are being Mexican and being southern mutually exclusive?
So when Georgia's Hispanic population reaches 25% (it's 10% now), it will no longer be a Deep South state even if it continues to hand Dems big defeats? I mean, why do you think Mexicans don't assimilate into southern culture? UPenn's research shows that they must be considering that the Southern American English zone extends as far South as San Antonio. Why are being Mexican and being southern mutually exclusive?
The Texas Hispanic population is nearly 40%. Again, not comparable. Deal with the raw numbers. The Hispanic population in Texas is getting ready to become the largest group in the state. It will be a long time if ever for this to happen in Georgia or any other state in the South. Texas was NEVER a Deep South state in it's entirety to begin with and hardly anyone in Texas would say they live in the Deep South. They will accept Western South or just simply, Texas. Do some Mexicans assimilate to Southern culture? Yes. Do some Mexicans not assimilate to Southern culture? Again, yes and I wouldn't doubt if its more of the ladder than the former. I've seen both instances with my very own eyes. Hell, why aren't you making the same arguments for Cubans in South Florida. My uncle is married to one and her family basically acts just like us.
You did see that I posted a Upenn map myself, right? You also did notice that I posted a survey from Harvard University Linguistics Department, right? Or did you even bother to open up that link at all?
You really don't read too well, do you?
Here's 1987. TX and FL are both within the boundary.
Yes, and nearly all of NM (with the exception of a small sliver along the TX/NM border) falls within the American West dialect boundary. Nearly all of Texas falls within the Southern American English boundary. So when the majority of a state falls within the southern dialect boundary, Southern Baptists and Evangelicals make up a huge percentage of the state's population, the state expresses a collective political ideology akin to South Carolina's, and the state is a member of the Southern Legislative Conference and the Southern Governor's Association, what else could it be other than "southern?"
And yep, don't forget that its (our) schools are affiliated with the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.
The Texas Hispanic population is nearly 40%. Again, not comparable. Deal with the raw numbers. The Hispanic population in Texas is getting ready to become the largest group in the state. It will be a long time if ever for this to happen in Georgia or any other state in the South. Texas was NEVER a Deep South state in it's entirety to begin with and hardly anyone in Texas would say they live in the Deep South. They will accept Western South or just simply, Texas. Do some Mexicans assimilate to Southern culture? Yes. Do some Mexicans not assimilate to Southern culture? Again, yes and I wouldn't doubt if its more of the ladder than the former. I've seen both instances with my very own eyes. Hell, why aren't you making the same arguments for Cubans in South Florida. My uncle is married to one and her family basically acts just like us.
Because the Cubans in South Florida don't have much of an Evangelical Protestant culture to assimilate into. In Texas, they do.
Because the Cubans in South Florida don't have much of an Evangelical Protestant culture to assimilate into? In Texas, they do.
So using religion is your only basis for Cubans not assimilating to Southern culture? Seriously, do you have any extensive experience in these places outside of your computer screen?
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I mean, why do you think Mexicans don't assimilate into southern culture? UPenn's research shows that they must be considering that the Southern American English zone extends as far South as San Antonio. Why are being Mexican and being southern mutually exclusive?
Seriously, do you have any extensive experience in these places outside of your computer screen?