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View Poll Results: Greater LA or San Francisco Bay Area
Greater Los Angeles 105 44.30%
San Francisco Bay Area 132 55.70%
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Exactly, great LA's core is rapidly developing but so is SF's. Probably even more so since employers actually want to be located downtown and not just hotels and condos/apartments. I guess it's not as noticeable because it's not a bunch of surface parking lots being demolished?
I doubt that. And actually quite a few companies have relocated to DTLA from other parts of the area. Something you probably didn't know. Plus its residential population is growing at a faster pace than any other part of the city. Its quite remarkable what is taking place in DTLA. I live downtown and I see it every day
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I doubt that. And actually quite a few companies have relocated to DTLA from other parts of the area. Something you probably didn't know. Plus its residential population is growing at a faster pace than any other part of the city. Its quite remarkable what is taking place in DTLA. I live downtown and I see it every day
Has downtown LA even built any new towers that are solely office space? Seems like they all include condos/apartments and hotels. Given office rents are pretty low in DTLA I doubt it's even financially feasible to build a high rise that's just commercial office space. They both just built 1,000+ towers and of course LA's includes hotel rooms and condos. SF's is just commercial office space and is actually named after a company.
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:57 PM
 
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I just have to tell you, this is a super-unexpected response.


So you're saying that the entire entity known as "downtown NYC/Philadelphia/Boston" looked exactly as they did in 1930 as they do right now? That is what I am saying about Los Angeles, or at least the central business district. Yes, every city east of the Mississippi will have structures, streets, alleys etc. that are more historic, but things were moved, built in between old buildings, downtowns were moved, etc. I'm talking about the entire downtown CBD, not historic quarters or districts.


Downtown NYC, Boston, and Philly have older buildings and neighborhoods, but they don't look THE SAME as they did in 1930 (hint, skyscrapers). Yes, Los Angeles has 1100 foot skyscrapers now, but they are OUTSIDE of the original CBD.
These people don't see what we see. They are looking at the "now" but people like us who see the change and see where the downtown is headed, know that in 5-10 years or maybe less, DTLA will be the place to be.
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Old 01-11-2018, 12:06 AM
 
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LA is way better than SF: warmer climate, much bigger population, more more exciting, better downtown and more interesting people. LA is way more known as a global, international city. There's a whole lot more high rise construction in Dt. LA and throughout the region, looking at Hollywood, too.
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Old 01-11-2018, 12:08 AM
 
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L.A. is getting the Olympics and World Cup finals, most likely like it did back in 1994.
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:13 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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LA is way better than SF: warmer climate, much bigger population, more more exciting, better downtown and more interesting people. LA is way more known as a global, international city. There's a whole lot more high rise construction in Dt. LA and throughout the region, looking at Hollywood, too.
Yea, but this is a discussion on the metro level, and downtown LA is no match for downtown Sam Jose which is the zenith urban downtown of the world.
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Has downtown LA even built any new towers that are solely office space? Seems like they all include condos/apartments and hotels. Given office rents are pretty low in DTLA I doubt it's even financially feasible to build a high rise that's just commercial office space. They both just built 1,000+ towers and of course LA's includes hotel rooms and condos. SF's is just commercial office space and is actually named after a company.
I don't think downtown LA has built any solely office space new towers, not any that I know of. There's renovations of existing ones and there are mixed-use towers that include office space, but I don't think any that are solely office space. I believe there are some on the west side.

Downtown LA office space is pretty cheap compared to San Francisco and has higher vacancies, and the city is trying to pivot the use of that office space for creative and tech jobs. It might work out since there's a lot of transit access going to the area as well as a lot of new residents.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Norteh Bajo Americano
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LA has not built office towers (solely) in Downtown LA. Most of the newest towers are residential, either rental or condos. Then there are numerous new hotels like Intercontinental, Indigo and soon Grand Hyatt.

For what I read, there isn't much need for expensive office space/towers. Many of the tech related industry is has moved towards the beach areas like SM, Venice, Playa Vista and that area.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/...-valley-rival/

Many new office buildings are mid rise maybe 5-7 stories high in Playa Vista with thousands of new housing units nearby.
https://goo.gl/maps/WVowcSzBMNm

Netflix has moved into more space at the new Sunset Bronson Studios tower.
https://goo.gl/maps/jTA6Xg7w8MG2

But many of the newer office spaces are moving into the low and mid rise buildings of Downtown. This building on 8th and Broadway is under major renovation. Going to bring offices, shops, restaurants, and upper level hotel.
https://goo.gl/maps/xddakvQETES2

There are many smaller buildings being renovated and turned to office space for small companies but nothing huge or brand new. I dont think LA is that type of city that needs too many large office buildings like a NYC or Chicago. LA's job market and CBDs are so spread out and keeps spreading out like at the growing tech hub at Playa Vista.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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I have a slightly off topic question but its been on my mind since our latest trip to S.F. Which of these two cities has a better plan for dealing with homelessness? Are they about the same or is something more innovative / effective being implemented in one of them?
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Old 01-11-2018, 12:18 PM
 
Location: where the good looking people are
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L.A. is getting the Olympics and World Cup finals, most likely like it did back in 1994.
Sporting venues are awful in SF. Even the NFL did not want to be there. Oakland sporting venues are even worse. Hope the A's can get put of the nasty east bay and move to Austin!
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