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I think that really shows you limited your experience or knowledge is. Not saying the nightlife options outside those areas are anything special, they do exist though, but neither are places like Pasadena or Santa Ana. Some of the other places you listed are highly overrated for what they are such as Venice.
Okay, so what are the areas for nightlife in Bay Area suburbs that you think is actually better than in Pasadena or Santa Ana? I'm curious to know, because it's quite possible I've never been to the area or heard of it.
I'd actually strongly disagree on the climate part. We get crappy weather for 2-1/2 to 3 months, but we're not stuck in March for 10 months out of the year.
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Are most people there content with not owning a home?
New York is expensive, but home ownership is achievable for many upper middle class families in the outer boroughs and definitely achievable in the suburbs. The Bay Area doesn't seem affordable anywhere. I imagine home ownership is out of reach for families with annual incomes that are less than $250,000. The median home price in the Bay Area is now $996,000, which is simply ridiculous. The median home price in Washington, DC (city proper) is around $650,000.
For me to spend that much on a mortgage or rent, there has to be some huge advantage over living there over some other city. I personally don't see it. You can't even live in the suburbs cheaply there.
Having recently bought a place (about 3 year ago), owning kind blows. I'd be super content not owning in retrospect, though if I live 20 more years I'll probably be better off financially (though that doesn't mean happier). I've known more than a few people in their 40s and 50s selling places and deciding the like the renting lifestyle better.
I definitely see the appeal of living in SF. I see the appeal of Brooklyn as well.
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I'd actually strongly disagree on the climate part. We get crappy weather for 2-1/2 to 3 months, but we're not stuck in March for 10 months out of the year.
I also disagree with natural settings. Islands, harbors, giant river going through highlands, beaches where you can swim in the water without freezing in the summer, multiple mountain ranges, fall colors, etc. Hiking trails you can get to by transit!
I'd actually strongly disagree on the climate part. We get crappy weather for 2-1/2 to 3 months, but we're not stuck in March for 10 months out of the year.
Sorry but compared to the Bay Area, HELL NAW.
Ive lived in NY, Summers are unbearable sweaty saunas, winters are an frozen icebox, NO THANKS. I dont think you know much about the weather here at all.
I also disagree with natural settings. Islands, harbors, giant river going through highlands, beaches where you can swim in the water without freezing in the summer, multiple mountain ranges, fall colors, etc. Hiking trails you can get to by transit!
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I'd actually strongly disagree on the climate part. We get crappy weather for 2-1/2 to 3 months, but we're not stuck in March for 10 months out of the year.
Yeah NYC's natural beauty is vastly underrated because there is so much city life as well.
As for weather, I prefer the 4 seasons in NYC. SF is chilly, windy, and/or foggy almost every day of the year. That's not enjoyable weather to most people.
I think that really shows you limited your experience or knowledge is. Not saying the nightlife options outside those areas are anything special, they do exist though, but neither are places like Pasadena or Santa Ana. Some of the other places you listed are highly overrated for what they are such as Venice.
So Venice is "highly overrated for what it is?" Its a beach community in Los Angeles city.
Anyone reading this in San Francisco right now? Looks like its sunny and 70 up there today. Go check out the beach communities of San Francisco city.
If you see more than 12 people walking around, please report back because I"d be very surprised.
I also disagree with natural settings. Islands, harbors, giant river going through highlands, beaches where you can swim in the water without freezing in the summer, multiple mountain ranges, fall colors, etc. Hiking trails you can get to by transit!
Compared to the Bay Area, no sorry.
So just to reiterate:
1. The Bay Area destroys LA as far as urban environment.
2. The Bay Area eviscerates NY as far as climate and natural setting.
And that doesnt even include the other aspects of this area that separate the Bay Area from anywhere else in the country when you consider the total package.
Ive lived in NY, Summers are unbearable sweaty saunas, winters are an frozen icebox, NO THANKS. I dont think you know much about the weather here at all.
I know plenty about the weather in SF having lived there for 4 years. I hated it. The beaches were pointless. The constant fog and wind in the Avenues is miserable. There is no winter. There is no summer. There is only crappy early Spring weather and some random Fall heat waves. There were times I literally took Caltrain down to see friends in the Peninsula and SJ just to get some warm weather and I dreaded coming back and being greeted by Karl. Karl is one of my least favorite people.
I'll give you that summer heatwaves here are almost unbearable. But at least more of our apartments, businesses, bars, restaurants, and public transit are air conditioned. In SF, they're not. Plus, we have numerous usable beaches accessible by public transit. I also love that summer feels like summer, fall feels like fall, winter feels like winter, and spring feels like spring.
Bringing this back to SF v. LA, I still prefer the weather in LA even though it's milder and more predictable than the Bay. This may be surprising since I prefer seasons. But at least in LA, summer feels like summer. Winter is not winter in LA. In SF, though, summer is not summer and winter is not winter. Both are just some annoying middle ground in SF. It's also a main reason why I don't love the beach cities in LA, though. Too foggy in late spring/early summer. Not warm enough in summer. Don't cool down enough in winter. Because the ocean moderates the temperature more. I like that the inland basin around BH, WeHo, DTLA, etc. gets a real feel of summer even when the beaches are still like 72 degrees. I don't like having to wear a light jacket/sweater at night in the dead of summer. That's not summer to me. In SF, it's not even a light sweater. It's like a full windbreaker and layers or a light coat.
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