Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
2,500,000 members. Thank you!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Old 06-21-2016, 08:34 PM
Location: Philadelphia
12,000 posts, read 12,835,456 times
Reputation: 8355


Originally Posted by Joseph_Hotto View Post
Restarting this thread

I think San Diego is a great city to go on a weeklong vacation, although it's extremely overrated in terms of a place to live. They have the highest electric bill there in the country, it's extremely hard to get a job, and the weather although really nice, gets boring after a while.
Really? That's surprising, all I hear is "no a/c or heat needed".

Old 06-21-2016, 08:47 PM
Location: Westminster/Huntington Beach, CA
1,780 posts, read 1,741,583 times
Reputation: 1218
Originally Posted by 2e1m5a View Post
Really? That's surprising, all I hear is "no a/c or heat needed".
Yea. I didn't buy that either. I live about 1.5 hours north with the exact same climate and my bill is insanely low.
Old 06-22-2016, 12:45 PM
5,556 posts, read 4,888,849 times
Reputation: 2787
Originally Posted by vegaspilgrim View Post
I agree with you on this one. I'd argue from 1995-2010 or so, Denver was probably the #1 city to live in the entire western US. It had a lot to offer in terms of both urban and recreational amenities (still does-- but much more crowded and difficult to access now), had a good diverse economy (this part is still true today and probably even stronger than ever, to Denver's credit) and it was very reasonably priced city-- and being moderately priced was one of Denver's top benefits. The prices have gone up the roof and the traffic has gotten so bad it is really taking a hit on the "quality of life."

The climate of Denver is chaotic, to say the least, and not well understood, even by people who live in Denver. It has its ups and downs. I think people in Denver can be downright schizophrenic about what the climate and physical geography of the place is really like.

Most underrated city in the west: Reno. I don't know why Reno is almost never even thought of by people, even within the mountain west. It has a LOT to offer. Gorgeous location, just east of the Sierras, 40 minute drive from Lake Tahoe, 4 hours from San Francisco. Mountains all around in every direction (in the Great Basin). People have an old outdated image of Reno being a dumpy city full of casinos, brothels, meth heads, and rednecks, but the truth is, while you can still find a lot of the "old Reno" around, there are tons of areas in the Reno area (particularly the south part of town) that are upscale, modern, with a very California-suburban (in a good way) feel to it. There are a lot of small scale manufacturing businesses moving to the area. Biggest downsides are very high housing costs (not as high as Denver, but getting up there) and very low wages. Not a great combo. But for those who can somehow make it work economically and want to live in a smaller city, seems like a great place to live.
Towns like Dayton, Carson City or Fernley?
Old 06-22-2016, 12:57 PM
Location: Near L.A.
4,108 posts, read 10,743,065 times
Reputation: 3444
Originally Posted by EclecticEars View Post
Overrated: San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Denver, Las Vegas

Underrated: Oakland, Sacramento, Long Beach, Tucson, Boise, Albuquerque
My list still stands from almost two years ago.

That said, I would place Las Vegas and San Diego at the top of the overrated list. While Las Vegas does have a real city outside the strip and I like the desert, it is still a late 20th century boom city and will take a few decades to mature in terms of neighborhood-based urbanity, even if it's San Diego-esque (defined neighborhoods but that look similar).

Speaking of San Diego, while it is a city of neighborhoods, much of the architecture, culture, and vibe of the area is, for a lack of better words, "bland." Sure, Balboa Park, downtown, East Village, and maybe even Barrio Logan have some architectural distinctions, but the rest of the place looks like Escondido or La Jolla. Plus, the people there are quite unpleasant, and one pays the same to live there as in Los Angeles, but yet for 1/20 the offerings of the L.A. region.

I might place Sacramento at the top of the underrated list. If it were in the upper Midwest, it would be the fourth place city, behind Chicago, Detroit, and Minneapolis/St. Paul. If it were in the South, it would be the fourth place city, behind D/FW, Atlanta and Houston. It is, in effect, the fourth place city in California, but it still has to share the same state with L.A., the Bay, and San Diego. It's a very underappreciated and often ignored city.
Old 06-22-2016, 01:16 PM
Location: Cbus
1,719 posts, read 2,076,525 times
Reputation: 2148
Phoenix metro area is terribly underrated on this forum.
Old 06-24-2016, 01:57 AM
Location: Carlsbad CA
20 posts, read 25,599 times
Reputation: 27
Originally Posted by 2e1m5a View Post
Really? That's surprising, all I hear is "no a/c or heat needed".
Read This:
San Diego Gas & Electric rates are nation's highest | San Diego Reader
Old 06-24-2016, 10:34 AM
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
5,993 posts, read 10,118,159 times
Reputation: 4401
Originally Posted by NativeOrange View Post
Yea. I didn't buy that either. I live about 1.5 hours north with the exact same climate and my bill is insanely low.
I'm no expert but electricity charges are based on a number of different factors:
1. Usage - your actual kWh electric consumption
2. Demand - the electrical bandwidth (volume) required based on the highest 15-minute electrical use per billing period (energy on demand, and energy not available to the grid, which is why it costs you half of your bill)
Within "Usage", your bill can be broken down into two parts, if your provider is in a deregulated district:
1. Supply - the cost of the energy itself, created from the power plant/other source
2. Delivery - the cost of the physical infrastructure necessary to channel the electricity to your home from the grid/power plant
I also mentioned regulated/deregulated districts:
1. Regulated - district where energy prices are regulated by the local government (typically cheaper)
2. Deregulated - district where energy prices are free to be priced at "market" rates, with little government intervention (typically expensive)

Also, there's the breakdown of your average consumption. About 40% or so goes to heating and cooling, but there's still up to 60% of your consumption that is allocated to water heating/cooling, electronics, lights and plugs, etc. Beyond this, there are taxes, surcharges, fees, etc. that vary by district/region that add to the total bill as well.

I remember that SoCal Edison had one of THE highest electricity rates in the country when looking at electric rates at properties my company had across the nation. Something like $0.18-$0.24 per kWh.
Old 06-24-2016, 02:48 PM
Location: South Park, San Diego
6,109 posts, read 10,791,410 times
Reputation: 12470
Originally Posted by Joseph_Hotto View Post
It is definitely a city where it's a good idea to go solar if you can. Great net metering 1:1 payback to clear all used electricity, wholesale payback above that. We will have a 5 year ROI of the system and then free electricity for at least 20 more years.
Old 06-25-2016, 12:38 AM
Location: BC Canada
987 posts, read 1,302,051 times
Reputation: 1445
Most over rated..........Vancouver and San Francisco. Vancouver is as dull as dishwater and SF has become what it never wanted to be......Yuppy.

Under rated........Calgary and Portland.

Frankly however, I think most Western {Can & Am} are over rated. They are "escape" places for people from "back East" so are viewed with rose-coloured glasses but when you get there you realize none of them have the urbanity of similar sized Eastern cities and are also quite sleepy........Easterners definitely stay out later and have a much better nightlife.
Old 06-25-2016, 12:41 AM
Location: Edmonds, WA
8,975 posts, read 10,100,405 times
Reputation: 14245
Originally Posted by Buckeye614 View Post
Phoenix metro area is terribly underrated on this forum.
It what ways is it underrated?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.

Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:14 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top