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San Francisco Metro Area probably has the worst public transit ever, considering that it is one of the larger cities on the west coast. The commuter rail "BART" doesn't even go faster than cars, and doesn't even go into Silicon Valley. Muni, San Francisco's metro public transportation, is very slow, and very overcrowded. Muni runs at an average of 8 mph due to the many unnecessary stops it makes. Also, the muni trains are very dirty inside.
Its a city of 2 million. And the point is not what kind of public transportation but what's is least effective. Rail lines offer little flexibility. You have to go to them whereas buses come to you. And Park/Ride bus system is actually pretty good.
San Francisco Metro Area probably has the worst public transit ever, considering that it is one of the larger cities on the west coast. The commuter rail "BART" doesn't even go faster than cars, and doesn't even go into Silicon Valley. Muni, San Francisco's metro public transportation, is very slow, and very overcrowded. Muni runs at an average of 8 mph due to the many unnecessary stops it makes. Also, the muni trains are very dirty inside.
You can't be serious with that comment. Can you even name me one city in the entire Western US that has better mass transit than the San Francisco Metro Area?
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I lived in Atlanta 5 years. Public transit is DISJOINTED because of limited municipal cooperation. Marta rail a two line system has been around since the 1970s and has only expanded three stations in the last 20 years. Dallas Public transit in those same 20 years has built four light rail lines and one heavy rail line. I left ATL in 2001. No bus service in Gwinnett county. Limited service in Cobb. None in Cherokee or Forsyth counties.
I lived in Atlanta 5 years. Public transit is DISJOINTED because of limited municipal cooperation. Marta rail a two line system has been around since the 1970s and has only expanded three stations in the last 20 years. Dallas Public transit in those same 20 years has built four light rail lines and one heavy rail line. I left ATL in 2001. No bus service in Gwinnett county. Limited service in Cobb. None in Cherokee or Forsyth counties.
MARTA has FOUR lines -- Red, gold, green and blue -- with 38 stations and 48 miles of track. Clayton County will likely be joining the system next year, and plans are underway to expand rail service both south of the airport into Forest Park and further up the Ga 400 corridor into North Fulton. The first phase of the Atlanta streetcar opens this summer with future plans to tie into the MARTA system at various points in the city.
Gwinnett and Cobb counties have both had bus systems for years. Additionally, Gwinnett, Cobb and the state of Georgia all run express commuter bus routes between the suburbs and major employment centers
Metro Atlanta doesn't have transit like it should, but it's hardly the worst in the country. Far from it. And it's arguably the best in the southeast.
Gwinnett and Cobb counties have both had bus systems for years. Additionally, Gwinnett, Cobb and the state of Georgia all run express commuter bus routes between the suburbs and major employment centers
Metro Atlanta doesn't have transit like it should, but it's hardly the worst in the country. Far from it. And it's arguably the best in the southeast.
Atlanta definitely isn't the worst. Having 4 subway lines isn't something to ignore. I agree that it probably has the best transit system in the Southeast.
I'm surprised folks are so hard on Miami. I'm not saying it's great, but it's far from horrible. It has a 2-branch heavy rail system -- the newest (short) branch opened 2 years ago, connects to a multi-modal hub at Miami International airport -- which includes a new terminal for TriRail, the fairly busy commuter line traveling the length of the metro area (an expansion plan has TriRail expanding to the Florida East Coast Line which will serve South Florida's downtowns, including Miami's and will double TriRail's length and efficiency), a 1.2 mile people mover directly to the air terminal and the new Rental Car center. The HRT carries heavy traffic, esp at rush hour and esp south of downtown... Downtown, the HRT connects directly the People Mover, the largest, most successful of the 70s/80s experimental, driver-less cars that circulates passengers all over Miami's downtown, both north and south of the Miami river -- connecting back with the HRT at Brickell, which is the entertainment, restaurant center of Miami and home to a huge high-rise apartment/condo TOD neighborhood that is growing by leaps and bounds ... South Beach is Miami Beach, which is really a suburb across Miami Bay. And if there's a more fun public transit line than the amusement park ride-like PM, I don't know it -- and it's Free! The RTA also has a BRT extending south from the Dadeland Metro Rail terminal to Homeland. The bus system is also pretty extensive and frequent.
So I think Miami, which is really a small, dense city (420,000 pop, 12,000 per sq/mi) at the base of long, huge sprawling (linearly at least) metro area, has a better-than-average transit system -- certainly by American (low) standards. Miami has no business being anywhere near a worst-transit list; no freaking way.
I agree. Miamis isn't terrible. Far from the worst.
I agree. Miamis isn't terrible. Far from the worst.
Agreed. Miami's sucks when compared to the world. When compared to the U.S. it is actually not that bad. Hopefully are incompetent politicians finally figure out a way to connect Downtown and Miami Beach by rail and include a line going around Miami Beach. That plus the possible commuter rail will be a big change.
Seattle does not have a better system than San Francisco, not even close.
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