05-20-2014, 07:49 AM
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We're a family of five (three kids 10 and under) currently living in Maryland. We're considering relocating due to the general decline of our immediate area as well as the insanely high taxes. We've done a lot of research regarding schools, areas, and jobs and were just looking for some local input on either location. Or, possibly someone who has lived in both?
Quick background...we have family in Texas and I grew up spending the summers in Texas; I'm familiar with the heat. We have been visiting the Vegas area regularly for five years now and have some extended family there as well, but very little. We got married out there and loved it! We typically have only been out to the Vegas area in July/Aug months and October.
We'd love to hear any pros and/or cons anyone can give to either area. We're currently federally employed in the DC area and would not move to either location without a job first. My husband is a marine vet and my kids are involved in sports and activities. We'd hope to continue that where ever we end up. Currently, they attend an affordable private school and we'd like to continue that as well however, that has been hard to find (under 10gs per child).
Thanks in advance! I always love reading locals perspectives!
05-21-2014, 08:50 AM
Location: Las Vegas
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I have lived in both places and If I had to choose with three young children to raise, I would go to Austin Texas. More decently paying jobs and it's generally an area of more educated people. Texas has the same issue as Vegas, very low pay. But Texas does have more jobs than Vegas and a much larger variety of jobs that pay more. Vegas has one industry, serving, and servants don't get paid. If you also consider Texas to be a one trick pony, it's oil, and those jobs do pay.
Schools in both states are underfunded and overwhelmed with students who don't speak English. It would be easier to pay for private schools if you made more money. Texas is the king of urban sprawl so I would be looking for work and schools first and then finding a home. Unless you want to drive over 100 miles a day between work/school/activities.
05-21-2014, 09:16 AM
Location: Tyler, TX
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We ... would not move to either location without a job first.
Texas is your destination, then. It's virtually impossible to get a job here if you're not local. Most employers won't even talk to you unless you have a local address and phone number.
05-21-2014, 09:18 AM
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Thanks for the feedback! Great point on the one trick pony comment...
We're currently looking for jobs in both locations and I've been able to find an affordable private school in Green Valley outside of Vegas. However, I'm not having the same luck in TX. Private schools seem to be through the roof and locals who have responded keep telling me it's because no one sends their kids because public schools are "so great" there. To each their own, I suppose.
We were really wanting to move some place more affordable and the draw of the areas outside of Vegas were more the travel opportunities to National parks, affordable things to do, and that sort of thing.
Texas seems like, we'd be very limited to Texas only. Being a family of 5, driving is often the means of travel as airfare is too expensive. Las Vegas offers more opportunity in terms of traveling by car to awesome locations than Texas as a whole.
Both places are dry areas but outside of Vegas is vastly desert and has a beautiful landscape because of it (to me). Texas is not very appealing to the eye but offers a great family atmosphere that I feel the Vegas (off strip obviously) may lack?
These are just my very generic observations so it's awesome to hear from someone who has lived both places.
05-21-2014, 09:19 AM
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swagger- that was another question we were wondering. We do have extended family in NV who said we could use their address and they also currently work at Nellis, where we've been applying. But, I feel like that only goes so far...
From what I've heard, Texas does seem a bit more "friendly" in terms of out of state relo's but not so much on the Vegas front.
05-21-2014, 09:22 AM
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To be honest, I think we both just prefer the "other" things Green Valley, Henderson, Summerlin, have to offer over areas we've seen in Texas. In terms of travel, affordable things to do with a family of five due to the fact that they typically ARE hooked to casinos. Neither of us are big into gambling, so that's not the draw. But I do enjoy an awesome show, great people watching, and access to national parks and mild, mild winters.
Having said that, I also think Texas might be a better fit for raising a family mostly due to the fact that there are so many families in Texas in general. Vegas area gets a bad rap for many things and I get that most people to consider it a "family friendly" area. So, for that reason alone, I think I tend to lean towards Texas as well.
05-22-2014, 02:35 AM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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TX is huge... where is your family. I will side with YS on Austin, but it is spendy (housing and taxes. Consider nearby Wimberely and Boerne for good schools. I have a place in Kerrville (also nearby) and it was CHEAP and lots of jobs and educational options. In the Hill Country, and 1 hr to SAT or AUS.
Consider income tax free WA too. Your kids can go to college instead of High School, saving them a bundle.
I am near Vancouver, WA (Portland, OR) and live very frugally and well. Have lots of fresh produce and salmon. Year round growing season for selective gardening, Bought a decent country acreage with house and barns for under $100k. Utilities are CHEAP and lots to do (And lots of rain,,,) summers are beautiful.. If you have to work in Portland, you will pay 9% income tax. There are some excellent private schools. I think the Catholic Schools are least expensive. King's Way is most popular and well staffed. Decent public options (Camas and Hockinson). and a terrific homeschool group (What we did, till kids went to early college. )
Clark County Home Educators - News & Events Many active members are also teachers, so feel free to ask them for recommendations.
LV would not be high on my choices, bcuz I would still need to drive to my regular haunts (UT & CA national parks) The best thing about LV is Valley of Fire. Great for sunrise or sunset and nice camping areas.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vall...w=1398&bih=818
BTW, what is your budget and career desires?
BTW2: one of my favorite Vet / VA retiree / nice places is Sturgis and Spearfish SD, ad Sheridan, WY (both tax free)
Bremerton, WA is nice and affordable. Vancouver, WA and Portland area also have extensive VA facilities. Consider Bonneville Power and Army Corp, National Forest, Oregon Air Guard, as great local Fed employers. Boeing has a Portland manf plant and they pay really well (~$40.hr skilled trade). for a drier WA, Spokane has lots of Fed Jobs. Ideally... Idaho Falls for national Nuc lab. (or Richland, WA
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Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)