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Nah. I have posted the link for Denver at 3.3 million in several threads on here! Tired of doing it! Search it! It is linked in many threads on this site!
Denver will pass Minneapolis, but it won't be next year or anything, it's going to take quite a while. Minneapolis is growing fast too, and don't forget that growth patterns are not at all constant.
Denver will pass Minneapolis, but it won't be next year or anything, it's going to take quite a while. Minneapolis is growing fast too, and don't forget that growth patterns are not at all constant.
Denver is growing a little faster than Minneapolis-St Paul, but the disparity is not so great that it's going to happen before 2020. And like you said, the growth patterns are not constant. You really can't make an argument for 2030 without some serious speculation. But I seriously doubt the degree to which this matters. A difference of 500,000 is not so much between two cities of 3.8 million and 3.3 million. If it were the difference between a city of 750,000 and 250,000 it's a much more noticeable difference.
Lol, Minneapolis looks like a newer, cleaner version of Upstate New York.
And Phoenix has no *wow* factor? Really? Does Minneapolis have panoramic mountainous backdrop against deep blue skies, stately Saguaro cacti, mostly new homes/buildings/roads, Mediterranean/Pueblo architecture everywhere you look? Would you describe Minneapolis-St. Paul as the cleanest major metro area in the US after SLC or one of the sunniest/warmest? Yeah, I don't think so.
It certainly seems like lots of folks from Minneapolis agree with me, since you can't spit in Phoenix without hitting someone from the Twin Cities area.
LOL, never heard anyone tout a city by gushing over their cacti before
LOL, never heard anyone tout a city by gushing over their cacti before
Actually I think the cactus in Phoenix is one of the things that helps distinguish it as a city. Suburban Phoenix neighborhoods are xeriscaped whereas most other similar neighborhoods are green. I'm not saying one is better than the other. In fact, I prefer the green over the xeriscaping. But Phoenix planners and designers have found a way to work with what they have in such a dry, arid climate. Would I choose to live there? Maybe, under the right circumstances. It wouldn't be my first choice, or even in my top 5. But Phoenix is a city that is constantly derided on this forum. I think the xeriscaping is a quality that is overlooked and helps add a little uniqueness to the area. Las Vegas, Tucson, and St. George are similar, and I think some neighborhoods in Albuquerque as well. Obviously it's a consequence of climate and geography, but it is part of what makes this area in this country unique.
Please keep this thread going. It's really interesting to see all of these cities and how they're developing. Anyone have anything of San Diego?
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As scorned as Phoenix has been over the years for being the poster child for sprawl and cookie cutter tract housing, they finally got the memo and development trends are starting to change. There is infill development happening in Tempe and Downtown Phoenix and also along Central Ave into Uptown. The light rail line that opened in 2008 between Mesa, Tempe/ASU, downtown Phoenix, and up to Central/Camelback has been the catalyst for new high density condo and apartment developments along the line. Many of them are the same modern urban cube style buildings you see going up in Denver and Seattle. I think the ASU link and millennial generation college students have really brought a lot more life in downtown Phoenix.
There is the new City-Scape development which is not anything out of the ordinary for urban retail/entertainment but it's a good start for downtown Phoenix. Chase Field and the US Airways arena are drawing crowds in and they now have more reasons to stick around after the game for a beer or a good meal. CityScape Phoenix | Restaurants | Shopping | Entertainment | Hotel in Downtown Phoenix
The core of Phoenix has a long way to go to get to the level of Seattle, Denver, or Minneapolis. However it deserves recognition for the changes and development along the light rail line, which is the longest starter light rail line in the country at 22 miles and it's expanding with future service into downtown Mesa and NW Phoenix in 2017. Though I really think Scottsdale really missed out on an opportunity for saying no to light rail going down Scottsdale Ave.
That's all a pipe dream. Most of that is proposed and will never come to fruition. Most of those are in the Metro as a whole not in Munneapolis. Show some actually buildings that are completed, under construction or approved. I'd like to see a list but until than you are just stating facts that I'm not sure you can back up.
If I back up the data will you secede and admit your wrong?
~70% Recently Completed, Under Construction or Approved, ~25% Proposed.
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That's the CSA population, not the MSA (metro) population. Minneapolis' CSA population is 3,759,978, which is over a half million ahead.
