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Forest cover is more natural than farmland however.
The Farms are all man made, before it was all prairies.
The Northeast... mostly New England is pretty much all very dense forest cover.
The suburbs of Boston feel more outdoorsy and natural than the suburbs of Kansas City.
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No it is not. How is agriculture "nature"? Rows of corn do not grow that way on their own.
Agriculture is arranged and aided by man. It is not "man made" = artificial. The definition of nature is "the physical world and everything in it that is not made by people". Farmers do not make corn. They plant it.
Agriculture is arranged and aided by man. It is not "man made" = artificial. The definition of nature is "the physical world and everything in it that is not made by people". Farmers do not make corn. They plant it.
The rows of corn are made by people, the irrigation system that waters the farm is made by people, the corn is genetically modified to resist bugs and disease by people. The pesticides that kill bugs are made by people. Farms are hardly natural.
The rows of corn are made by people, the irrigation system that waters the farm is made by people, the corn is genetically modified to resist bugs and disease by people. The pesticides that kill bugs are made by people. Farms are hardly natural.
Riiight, because there's no such thing as organic farming.[sarcasm]
I already stated that agriculture is aided by humans (to different degrees). But aiding or even manipulating is still not the same as making.
Agriculture is arranged and aided by man. It is not "man made" = artificial. The definition of nature is "the physical world and everything in it that is not made by people". Farmers do not make corn. They plant it.
Ok... but a forest is more natural than a farm.
Humans didn't plant these trees, they are natural.
Humans didn't plant these trees, they are natural.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, you'd be surprised how many urban forests you see that are actually tree farms. You'd have to be naive to think that a majority of the woodlands in New England have never been manipulated by man. If not by white men, then by the natives.
Riiight, because there's no such thing as organic farming.[sarcasm]
I already stated that agriculture is aided by humans (to different degrees). But aiding or even manipulating is still not the same as making.
Riiight, because 100% of the farms surrounding Omaha are 100% "organic". I'm not saying that farm products are artificial, I am saying that they aren't natural. Something can be unnatural (natural, adj. existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind) without being artificial. Parks and farms would be in this category.
Riiight, because 100% of the farms surrounding Omaha are 100% "organic". I'm not saying that farm products are artificial, I am saying that they aren't natural. Something can be unnatural (natural, adj. existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind) without being artificial. Parks and farms would be in this category.
We'll have to agree to disagree. At this point it's only splitting hairs anyway.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, you'd be surprised how many urban forests you see that are actually tree farms. You'd have to be naive to think that a majority of the woodlands in New England have never been manipulated by man. If not by white men, then by the natives.
Actually if one knows just a little bit about the basic local flora and basic dynamics of ecology, its actually quite easy to figure out which forests natural and which ones are not. A "tree farm" is usually monoculture (one species) and generally grown in straight rows.
Yes, even our wild landscapes have absolutely been influenced by man, yet its more of a one time dea (logging, etc.) then the process of natural biological sucession takes over.
Like I said before, if the farm field is abandoned and no longer in active production THEN it returns to nature.
I find Chicagoland devoid of nature, less because of Chicagoland itself but because of what is OUTSIDE Chicago. Illinois is 90% covered in corn and soybeans.
LA metro area has nearly twice the population of Chicago metro area, and you have way more access to pristine wilderness because all the areas NOT urban are mountains, deserts, rugged coast, federal/state land, etc. and not agriculture.
Great points here, and I agree. But there are some really nice areas outside of Chicagoland that arent farmland. Starved Rock, Matthiessen, Garden of the Gods, cypress swamps, prairie preserves, Mississippi Palisades, etc, etc, can be found right in the heart of the cornfields, which I loved.
LA is lucky to have the mountain ranges nearby, which allow for great hiking, biking, etc. Chicago just doesnt have that. Wish it did!
Actually if one knows just a little bit about the basic local flora and basic dynamics of ecology, its actually quite easy to figure out which forests natural and which ones are not. A "tree farm" is usually monoculture (one species) and generally grown in straight rows.
Fair enough. I guess tree farm wasn't the appropriate term, since I was referring to any general landscape of planted forestation.
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Yes, even our wild landscapes have absolutely been influenced by man, yet its more of a one time dea (logging, etc.) then the process of natural biological sucession takes over.
Like I said before, if the farm field is abandoned and no longer in active production THEN it returns to nature.
That's arguable, but, again, I'm choosing to just agree to disagree.
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