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Good points... There are 684K south Asians in the Greater Toronto Area making that group the largest visible minority in the region.. By 2031 that number is expected to rise to 2.1 million vs 1.1 Chinese.. There will be a full 1 million more South Asians in the GTA than East Asian.. 1 in 4 persons in the GTA will be South Asian, that is staggering!
Interesting that the Bay Area is now winning the poll...
hehe perhaps most of the American voters voted for the Bay and Canadian voters mostly voted for GTA...
And SF is the darling child of City-Data. Nobody thinks it has any imperfections...
In addition, people here tend to generalize T-dot as being bland and without character.
Interesting that the Bay Area is now winning the poll...
hehe perhaps most of the American voters voted for the Bay and Canadian voters mostly voted for GTA...
It is odd - most people in the comments have said Toronto - which is probably more true but by default for many it'll just be a Bay Area click.. We don't take it personally - it is to be expected
And there is no significant backlash or concerns about having such a massive amount of immigration?
Backlash - not really I mean Toronto has been receiving massive amounts of immigrants since the 60's so its a part of the milieu and identity of the city really. I have no issue with it and I suspect the vast majority of the city wouldn't either. Most of my neighbours are vis min and we all get along fine. There are economic concerns obviously and it'll take time for any immigrant to become established in their new home.. The most successful Indians I know are one's who have been here for awhile.. It just comes with the territoryof leaving one place and establishing somewhere new. The alternative would be for them to stay in their homeland yet they still come because ultimately it is a better life for them and their children.
SF also has a very transient Asian population due to Silicon Valley but Toronto seems to attract a lot more immigrants for the long haul. Toronto wins this easily . Toronto, London, and NYC are the most diverse cities on the planet. Anyone who argues otherwise is wrong.
According to some polls, LA is even more diverse than NYC, though this is heavily debated (NYC more types of Europeans, and more variety of Latinos; LA in general has more types of people of color, but less diversity among it's Latino population, which is mainly Mexican).
According to some polls, LA is even more diverse than NYC, though this is heavily debated (NYC more types of Europeans, and more variety of Latinos; LA in general has more types of people of color, but less diversity among it's Latino population, which is mainly Mexican).
In any case, I'd add Los Angeles to that group.
I think it also depends on how you define diversity.. Are you just referring to racial diversity and percentage of various Vis Mins or are you referring to ethnic and cultural diversity. In the latter its hard not to say that NYC would have incredible ethnic and cultural diversity, practically every ethnicity, culture and mother tongue is represented in the city in respectable numbers. Toronto is also is strong in that arena of multiculturalism and across the spectrum representation of a variety of ethnicities and foreign tongues (including white ethnic diversity).. What it doesn't have is the large number of blacks and hispanics compared to the Bay Area or L.A..
If diversity is defined by white black Hispanic Asian , then LA is comparable. If the definition is more accurately nuanced, then no deal. I'm sure there are hard metrics to back this up, and if anyone wants to argue it, I'll be happy to procure said metrics. This is off topic regardless, bottom line, Toronto is more Asian than SF.
Having been all over the Bay and GTA, I personally think it handily goes to the GTA. Beyond the percentages, another way to look at is how many white ppl do you have for every Asian person in each metro area? For the Bay Area I think it's ~1.8-1.9:1 while in the GTA it's closer to 1.5:1. That having been said, I can see why someone may feel like the Bay Area may exude a more intense Asian "feel"; I think it's because ppl typically associate "Asian" with East/Southeast Asian and comparing the cores alone SF IS more East/Southeast Asian than Toronto; in particular, the City of SF (the "core" of the Bay Area) is more East/Southeast Asian than Old Toronto (the "core" of the GTA).
BUT, the point to keep in mind is that the Toronto District School Board covers ALL of the city of Toronto- including the furthest reaches of Scarborough and Etobicoke (this covers >40% of the CMA population). A fair comparison would be to compare the East+Southeast Asian % of the TDSB with those of all of the school districts contained in Alameda, San Francisco and San Mateo counties- which would amount to a similar share of the Bay Area's population...but this would be pretty cumbersome to do since San Mateo and Alameda counties are divided up into a bunch of school districts..
So, while I understand why some people might be led to believe that the Bay Area has a stronger Asian presence than the GTA, I personally believe that the GTA has the stronger Asian presence. Part of this is due to the fact that in parts of the Bay Area (outside of SF) where the Asian presence is particularly strong, there's often a fairly strong Hispanic presence as well and in pockets of the East Bay you can add a strong black presence to this. However, in the GTA, the Hispanic population is miniscule and where the black presence is there, they're usually drowned out by the South Asians and/or Chinese, so Asians really *dominate* the visible minority scene in the GTA in a way that they do not in the Bay Area.
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