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Even though what you say true it is a little misleading. Big employment hubs like Vineland and Trenton are located right on the census cut lines. So it makes the job loss numbers look worse than it really is.
Vineland MSA and Atlantic City MSA were also negative. Also, how is Vineland a "big employment hub" with 58,000 jobs? That's less than Warner Robins, GA.
Philly MSA has 2.8 million jobs. Vineland + Trenton + AC = 440k total. You get a similar total if you add Augusta, Macon, and Athens to Atlanta.
Depends on how you go. On I-95, Wilmington can feel a bit disconnected from the Philly urban area, but it is definitely much more integrated via Route 202.
Gotcha. There's actually a good chance I'll be relocating to the Philly area in the near future (south Jersey) so I'll get more of a feel for different parts of the metro.
Vineland MSA and Atlantic City MSA were also negative. Also, how is Vineland a "big employment hub" with 58,000 jobs? That's less than Warner Robins, GA.
Philly MSA has 2.8 million jobs. Vineland + Trenton + AC = 440k total. You get a similar total if you add Augusta, Macon, and Athens to Atlanta.
You forgot to also mention Reading and Dover, which all lies near the census cuts and are employment hubs for the Delaware Valley. When you add those numbers with the rest, that's almost 4 million jobs. Yes, the overall region needs to improve but it's not as bad as your making it out to be. Don't forget that Philly and NYC are in close proximity to each other and there will always be a certain level of cross commuting between the New York and Philly MSA.
Atlanta doesn't have that, but to me that's not enough to make metro Philly feel more massive. And by driving through, you wouldn't even think that Wilmington was part of Philly's MSA; at least that's the feeling I got.
I always felt like they were fairly connected, especially if you ride Amtrak a lot (you can see a lot more than from the highway):
The two are quite close and if you drive on 202, you'll see a lot more. The connection is even more evident if you ride the Regional Rail line that takes around 20 - 30 mins from end-to-end.
EDIT: Oops, I see duderino already made the point on 202, my bad.
Philadelphia is just urban in every direction for miles and miles. It screams big city. Any suburban developments within at least 10 miles of the core is the exception, not the norm. Where suburban development in Atlanta is the overwhelming majority.
Philadelphia is just urban in every direction for miles and miles. It screams big city. Any suburban developments within at least 10 miles of the core is the exception, not the norm. Where suburban development in Atlanta is the overwhelming majority.
None of this is even remotely related to the premise of the thread.
That's certainly not true for the Philadelphia area where jobs are more spread out and are not really centralized like most major cities.
Exactly
Even outside of the metro area you have the CSA like Vineland and the Jersey Coast Line. Dover, DE. Reading area.
Outside of the metro you have a major employment hub in Trenton and Princeton and other Central Jersey towns like New Brunswick, etc. The Lehigh Valley as well. Even into Maryland. I also know a few people who work in NYC and live in either Bucks County or South Jersey and commute via NJ Transit, or actually live in Center City Philadelphia and commute via Amtrak.
With how tightly nit the area is, it is not uncommon for people to commute outside of the metro or even the CSA for work.
Now what TheseGoTo11 didn't mention is that most analysts see the 5k job loss in the metro as an anomaly this year, and certainly not the trend, and the metro as a whole is at the highest job level it's been since 2001. In fact, most analysts are predicting job growth to pick up rapidly in the Philadelphia area if not soon boom. There are many factors working towards Philadelphia in the eds and meds, bio, pharma, tech, media and energy sectors. Most are predicting Philadelphia to become the next big energy hub.
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