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San Diego is the big winner on every level except cost of living and I would lose to live in Tampa over SD. San Diego is not affordable for the average guy unless you are a Doctor and lawyer or CEO. I couldn't live in SD without a 200k a year salary, you can live well in Tampa on 60-80k a year.
3 local TB beaches in the top 10.. also as I said before, for a city of 1.3 million people SD has a short skyline(Tampa has 4 buildings taller than One America Plaza.. for a city of only 347K people, it does better in that respect).
3 local TB beaches in the top 10.. also as I said before, for a city of 1.3 million people SD has a short skyline(Tampa has 4 buildings taller than One America Plaza.. for a city of only 347K people, it does better in that respect).
Great beaches are subjective. And tall buildings mean nothing. It's about the density and street level activity. Not saying Tampa Bay doesn't have those things, but If you're going to compare them, don't use the height of the buildings as a criteria. With that being said, San Diego has a height restriction of 500' due to the airports proximity to downtown.
Do you have any statistical proof of that? Because that hasn't been my experience in the real world. Maybe it's just a dream that I have friends working for Novartis or Scripps Research.
No. Just my co-workers, all of whom live there (I work remotely from there).
For every Novartis, Scripps, Biovia, Genoptix, etc job, there are 20 in hotels, restaurants and retail.
Again, it is not the norm to have multiple roommates into your 40's and 50's - except in urban California.
This is not a knock on San Diego, I love the place and am constantly bothering my boss to bring me out more often. But, it is the reality of life there for most.
No. Just my co-workers, all of whom live there (I work remotely from there).
For every Novartis, Scripps, Biovia, Genoptix, etc job, there are 20 in hotels, restaurants and retail.
Again, it is not the norm to have multiple roommates into your 40's and 50's - except in urban California.
This is not a knock on San Diego, I love the place and am constantly bothering my boss to bring me out more often. But, it is the reality of life there for most.
But you said there was a "brain drain" for young people. Do you have any statistical proof of that?
FWIW, I live in urban California, am 25, and live alone. And no, I don't come from money. I also don't know very many people in their 40s and 50s who have roommates, and a lot of people I know are immigrants. Unless you count their families as "roomates"
But you said there was a "brain drain" for young people. Do you have any statistical proof of that?
FWIW, I live in urban California, am 25, and live alone. And no, I don't come from money. I also don't know very many people in their 40s and 50s who have roommates, and a lot of people I know are immigrants. Unless you count their families as "roomates"
Again, just what I am constantly told by my co-workers.
And, how nice for you. So what part of San Diego are you in being fortunate enough to have your own place?
And of course immigrants can be counted as roommates. Don't they routinely pool their money? It's the same thing.
Again, just what I am constantly told by my co-workers.
So you have no source of this brain drain, even though it's something that can be easily measured. Just admit that you didn't really have a point with this.
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And, how nice for you. So what part of San Diego are you in being fortunate enough to have your own place?
I live in Central LA. You said "urban California", and considering I live in probably one of the densest zip codes in all of the state, I think that would qualify.
However, a decent chunk of my friends work in San Diego as professionals, and they can afford their own places. A lot live in Downtown San Diego, some live on Pacific Beach, some live in La Jolla near UCSD.
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And of course immigrants can be counted as roommates. Don't they routinely pool their money? It's the same thing.
^I refuse to get in a tit for tat pissing match with you. I am very happy for you that at 25 you can afford your own place in 'Central L.A.'
As I mentioned twice now, I happen to love San Diego. I also love L.A., as some of my best friends live there.
The bottom line is that the cost of living is beyond insane, and for you to deny that LOT'S of young people are forced to leave because of it tells me you are in denial. Everyone there knows this as a simple fact of life.
And as far as having your own place in 'Central L.A,' I would venture to guess that most people reading this thread would have a bit of hesitation with that. You're young, and I get it. I lived in pre-gentrified Brooklyn when I was your age, for practically nothing. Many however are way past the urban pioneer stage, and want a neighborhood where we can walk the dog at Midnight.
Great beaches are subjective. And tall buildings mean nothing. It's about the density and street level activity. Not saying Tampa Bay doesn't have those things, but If you're going to compare them, don't use the height of the buildings as a criteria. With that being said, San Diego has a height restriction of 500' due to the airports proximity to downtown.
DT Tampa has a height restriction too, sandwiched by 3 airports, plus there's no solid terrain to build highrises on (no matter where you dig here you find sand, not bedrock).
If you want street level activity, St Pete has that(remember this was a SD vs TB comparison). Sarasota is a cultural center. Clearwater Beach caters to tourists. So this area pretty much has everything SD offers, except it's spread out which is the main reason people downplay this area. Plus you have theme parks in ORL, only 60-70 miles away.
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