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Old 08-19-2015, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Minneapolis fits 407k in 58 sq miles. Houston doesn't fit that many surrounding it's core yet in 58 sq miles.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Hmmm I pretty seriously doubt the urban CORE of Houston is denser than the urban core of Minneapolis.


Right, but...

Houston, TX 2978.5 ppsm
Minn-St. Paul, MN 2594.3 ppsm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_urban_areas

Minneapolis may have the more bustling core, but I think these numbers demonstrate that the Houston area is more bustling as a whole.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Right, but...

Houston, TX 2978.5 ppsm
Minn-St. Paul, MN 2594.3 ppsm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_urban_areas

Minneapolis may have the more bustling core, but I think these numbers demonstrate that the Houston area is more bustling as a whole.
But I thought you were talking about the core. Not the entire urban area.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:57 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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But I thought you were talking about the core. Not the entire urban area.
See post #23
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Old 08-19-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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I based my ranking on things like how fast people walked
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LOL, wait, what?!? How do you even MEASURE something like that?!?
I do it with a video camera from my car like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_yKLNhWL0
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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See post #23
I see. He said core and you said the entire area.
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:00 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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To me fast past means hustle and bustle. People out walking, biking, using public transportation, and driving. Some cities just "feel" faster than others. Going from Minneapolis to St Paul you can feel the difference, its hard to put in words.

I know walkscores aren't the end all be all, but the most bustling cities seem to have the highest walkscores (and densities), especially in their core neighborhoods. Here's each city's top 10 neighborhoods.

(Walkscore, transit score, bike score)

Minneapolis

Lyn Lake
94 67 96

Downtown West
92 94 93

Lowry Hill East
92 64 90

Uptown
91 62 98

Loring Park
89 86 93

Nicollet Island
88 78 95

Stevens Square
88 74 91

Whittier
88 68 93

East Isles
87 61 96

Warehouse District
85 88 96


Houston

Midtown
82 83 72

Neartown - Montrose
80 52 77

Downtown
75 89 77

Fourth Ward
74 80 70

Greenway - Upper Kirby
73 50 59

The Museum District
72 64 73

University Place
70 57 80

Greater Heights
66 45 65

Washington Avenue - Memorial Park
65 48 63

Gulfton
64 49 59


Seattle

Downtown
98 100 67

Pioneer Square
98 100 62

Belltown
97 97 77

First Hill
97 98 74

International District
97 100 69

Yesler Terrace
94 98 72

South Lake Union
91 86 72

Lower Queen Anne
91 70 56

Capitol Hill
91 72 69

University District
91 71 85


Atlanta

Georgia State University
96 79 82
2
Peachtree Center
91 75 77
3
Buckhead Village
89 43 66
4
SoNo
87 67 78
5
Sweet Auburn
87 64 80
6
South Downtown
87 79 81
7
Midtown
84 63 76
8
Inman Park
83 58 81
9
Castleberry Hill
81 75 78
10
Old Fourth Ward
80 52 79


On the flip side, Houston, Atlanta, and Seattle all have more traffic and larger cores than Minneapolis. Seattle and Minneapolis are also more central, whereas Houston and Atlanta are more multimodal.

However, my rankings :

1.Seattle - Its the densest, most walkable, best shopping in its core. Seems very San Francisco lite

2. Atlanta - Midtown and downtown pack a strong punch, quickly densifying core, lots of tourists out amd about

3. Houston - largest population of the four, most people within city limits at any given time, most spread out (downtown, uptown, energy corridor etc)

4. Minneapolis- the smallest of the bunch, walkable in its core, nightlife, jobs, attractions, dining and some of the shopping is central, creating somewhat of a bustling feeling. I wanted to rank it higher (as high as #2) but the other cities are just too big.

Last edited by Mr Ambitious; 08-19-2015 at 08:09 PM..
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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FWIW, the urban area of Houston is denser than Minneapolis-St. Paul.
A few years ago I used urban explorer to make density maps of a number of metros. These are all to the same scale. The darker shades start at 10,000 ppsm, the darkest is over 20,000.

Atlanta

Atlanta by Andrew Smith, on Flickr

Houston

Houston by Andrew Smith, on Flickr

Minneapolis - St Paul

Minneapolis by Andrew Smith, on Flickr

Seattle

Seattle by Andrew Smith, on Flickr
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:41 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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Nabes with 80+ walkscore or higher
Seattle- 21
Minneapolis- 19
Atlanta- 10
Houston- 2

Nabes with 70+ walkscore or higher
Seattle- 37
Minneapolis- 35
Atlanta- 25
Houston- 7

Again, walkscore is not the best way to measure pace of a city but the most walkable areas seem to be some of the most vibrant and bustling places.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Nabes with 80+ walkscore or higher
Seattle- 21
Minneapolis- 19
Atlanta- 10
Houston- 2

Nabes with 70+ walkscore or higher
Seattle- 37
Minneapolis- 35
Atlanta- 25
Houston- 7

Again, walkscore is not the best way to measure pace of a city but the most walkable areas seem to be some of the most vibrant and bustling places.
If I weren't at work right now I'd break out the Excel docs I have at home and find the data for Houston and Atlanta, but this seems like a good time to bring in THIS post I made a while ago.

Essentially: I created an index based on the newest Walk/Transit/Bike Score that gives an average score for the 250k people living in the neighborhoods of a city with the HIGHEST scores in each category. It's an informal stab at sort of kind of almost a little bit trying to find a best-possible figure for each city given a standardized population. Admittedly Walk Score is very flawed for a bunch of reasons, but I do think it gives a mostly accurate idea of the qualities OP is talking about like "bustling" and "fast-paced."

So Atlanta and Houston don't crack the top 15 in any category (which is telling IMO) and like I said I don't have access to the full dataset at work, but for the other too...

AVG Walk Score, top 250k
Seattle: 87
Minneapolis: 78

AVG Transit Score, top 250k
Seattle: 71
Minneapolis: 64

AVG Bike Score, top 250k
Minneapolis: 87
Seattle: 78
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