What metric or stat used for city vs city arguments infuriates you the most? (Atlanta, Chicago)
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When you look at the Bay Area from space all you see is one continuous glob of development. You cannot differentiate between San Fran and San Jose unless you are an expert on the area.
All the OMB does is look at commuting patterns between counties. If one county has at least 25% of it's workforce commuting into the larger county, then they count that county as part of the larger counties MSA. Then they figure out what the most populated city in the "core" county is, and declare it as the "City X Metropolitan Statistical Area".
The small city of Holland Michigan is in the Grand Rapids-Wyoming MSA. However the civic boundaries for Holland are spread into two separate counties. If you cross 32nd st in Holland you are statistically no longer in the Grand Rapids MSA, you have entered the "Holland Michigan Micropolitan area". Do not tell me these methods used by these "experts" don't have gray area when you can be in a separate statistical area without even leaving a cities borders.
Places like the Inland Empire, and Fairfield county Connecticut have turned into counties that no longer have a certain percentage of their commuters exiting the county. You're kidding yourself if you think they exist in their current forms without the larger behemoth metro's they are divided from.
I never said they do not function as one region. They do.
I am just questioning the argument that only the Bay Area should be exempt from the rules. How about NYC and Brideport? Washington and Baltimore? Los Angleles and Riverside? They are one region, hence the CSA designation, but they don't meet the criteria to be one MSA. It's simple.
They all look like continuous blobs from space. Hell, New York and Washington DC look like one continuous blob from outer space.
Yeah, it is. I'm just saying that this is how locals see their area and it fits their vision of what includes the Bay Area. Just like in the real world, the IE isn't it's own metro any more than OC is its own metro. It's just another part of SoCal to most of us.
I don't think its a conspiracy to boost the place further than it really is except for maybe some posters. It just is what it is.
I think most of the resistance for using the CSA moniker isn't based on someone trying to be objective -- it's based on some weird idea of "putting a city in their place", which is kind of an odd way to look at the world. That's just my impression though.
I never said they do not function as one region. They do.
I am just questioning the argument that only the Bay Area should be exempt from the rules. How about NYC and Brideport? Washington and Baltimore? Los Angleles and Riverside? They are one region, hence the CSA designation, but they don't meet the criteria to be one MSA. It's simple.
They all look like continuous blobs from space. Hell, New York and Washington DC look like one continuous blob from outer space.
I never said they do not function as one region. They do.
I am just questioning the argument that only the Bay Area should be exempt from the rules. How about NYC and Brideport? Washington and Baltimore? Los Angleles and Riverside? They are one region, hence the CSA designation, but they don't meet the criteria to be one MSA. It's simple.
They all look like continuous blobs from space. Hell, New York and Washington DC look like one continuous blob from outer space.
Good gosh, look at the Bos-Wash corridor, especially from NYC to DC. It looks like one giant, dense blob
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