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Buffalo is a Great Lakes City, not an East Coast city.
Right, but Buffalo is still in the (North)east. There was nothing wrong with that statement. Great Lakes doesn't automatically mean Midwest.
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The most similar cities to Buffalo would be other Great Lakes Cities like Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc. To me, these cities are Midwest, not East Coast.
Of course those other cities are in the Midwest; however, Buffalo is not and that's just a geographical fact. Great Lakes cities are mostly found in the Midwest but not exclusively.
Buffalo isn't an East Coast city; it's a Great Lakes Midwest city. And Miami is a Sunbelt city, same as Jacksonville.
I would say NYC and Buffalo are more different than Miami and Jacksonville. All four cities are different from one another, but Miami and Jacksonville at least used to be quite similar, before the massive waves of Latin American migration transformed South Florida.
In contrast NYC and Buffalo have never been similar in terms of architecture, economy, accent, etc.
You don't have to cross into other states, as you can take Route 17/I-86 to get further up state.
Technically speaking, I-86 actually crosses into PA in South Waverly, PA for a few seconds, but it's such a tiny distance that it really doesn't make a difference.
None of the cities in these groupings are similar to their in-state pair. But Miami and Jacksonville are less similar to each other than Buffalo and NYC. Pretty interesting comparison. NYC and Miami are 2 of the most unique cities in the country.
I haven't visited Florida, but my impression is there's very little southern about Miami. Historically maybe, but it was tiny then; later influxes of northeasterners and Latin Americans overwhelmed the original culture. Jacksonville is a deep south city. Buffalo is still an older northern city like New York City, even if one is Great Lakes rather than East Coast.
Buffalo and NYC are both older northern cities. Buffalo was once one of the largest cities in the country. They're at least somewhat similar demographically. While NYC is much denser and MUCH larger, there are many homes that share similar styles outside of the urban core of NYC. Both have harsh winters, though Buffalo is obviously worse with more lake effect snow.
Jacksonville is much more "southern" in every single way than Miami. Miami is basically Latin America. It's the capital of Latin America, full of banks, businesses, law firms, trading companies, entertainment companies, etc. that cater specifically to Latin America. Miami is warmer year round than Jacksonville. Miami is more urban and a destination for the young, the hot, the single, the professional businesses people with style, etc. while Jacksonville is more families and settling down.
I gotta agree with NOLA on this one. Maybe at one point Buffalo and NYC had more in common. Buffalo is a recovering manufacturing center and seems like it has much more in common with the Great Lakes industrial cities then it does a premier world city. While the differences between JAX and Miami are stark, at the end of the day they both have sunbelt growth, and tourism as major economic growth drivers. I don't see how they could be more stark than Buffalo/NYC.
I gotta agree with NOLA on this one. Maybe at one point Buffalo and NYC had more in common. Buffalo is a recovering manufacturing center and seems like it has much more in common with the Great Lakes industrial cities then it does a premier world city. While the differences between JAX and Miami are stark, at the end of the day they both have sunbelt growth, and tourism as major economic growth drivers. I don't see how they could be more stark than Buffalo/NYC.
Ethnically is one way that Jax more different than Miami versus Buffalo in comparison to NYC. Jax is essentially Duval County, while the other 3 have had the same city limits for at least several decades, if not well over a century in the case of NYC.
Ethnically is one way that Jax more different than Miami versus Buffalo in comparison to NYC. Jax is essentially Duval County, while the other 3 have had the same city limits for at least several decades, if not well over a century in the case of NYC.
Jacksonville is unique in that it's borders are coterminous with its county. It has an advantage because it functions better as a region. In my mind I don't see how something arbitrary like civic boundaries will make a difference in this discussion. If Jacksonville had kept it's original boundaries it would have between 300-400k ppl be and be more comparable on paper to Buffalo. As it stands it's urban area and metro area closer aligned to Buffalo in this discussion. New York and Miami as the flagship cities are where the greatest size dismorphia occurs in this comparison.
Buffalo is also only slightly more diverse than JAX. If you expand Buffalo's borders to all of Erie County and make an even playing field it is starkly less diverse than Jacksonville. Buffalo is also the only city in this discussion that has experienced 50 plus years of decline. 50 years ago Jacksonville and Miami were much more similar in population ect, the gap has widened significantly in that time. You can still tell your in Florida when you're in both of them. At this point in history if you visited NYC, and then drove across to Buffalo you wouldn't feel like you're in the same state if you didn't look at the license plates.
Jacksonville is unique in that it's borders are coterminous with its county. It has an advantage because it functions better as a region. In my mind I don't see how something arbitrary like civic boundaries will make a difference in this discussion. If Jacksonville had kept it's original boundaries it would have between 300-400k ppl be and be more comparable on paper to Buffalo. As it stands it's urban area and metro area closer aligned to Buffalo in this discussion. New York and Miami as the flagship cities are where the greatest size dismorphia occurs in this comparison.
Buffalo is also only slightly more diverse than JAX. If you expand Buffalo's borders to all of Erie County and make an even playing field it is starkly less diverse than Jacksonville. Buffalo is also the only city in this discussion that has experienced 50 plus years of decline. 50 years ago Jacksonville and Miami were much more similar in population ect, the gap has widened significantly in that time. You can still tell your in Florida when you're in both of them. At this point in history if you visited NYC, and then drove across to Buffalo you wouldn't feel like you're in the same state if you didn't look at the license plates.
I was talking in relation to the bigger city within the same state. Jacksonville is more "Southern", as another poster mentioned in comparison to Miami. With Buffalo and NYC, you generally have the same/similar groups of people, with some exceptions in terms of to what degree and presence.
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