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Boston, Miami, and Montreal is attractive for Europeans
Miami and Houston is attractive for Latin Americans
Houston, Dallas, Boston, and Atlanta is attractive for Asians
Detroit and Houston is attractive for Middle Easterners
Atlanta and Dallas is attractive for Africans. Miami and Houston isn't bad either.
Boston is a magnet for Portuguese speaking countries, it seems
Boston and Miami is attractive for those in the Caribbean
The island of Montreal pretty much attracts all of whats listed here. I know we're talking about metropolitan to metropolitan basis, but living in Montreal and Miami, Montreal for sure has much more diversity than Miami (Island of Montreal vs Miami, not metropolitan), and no i'm not referring to percentages of races and all. Also regarding metropolitan areas, Montreal expanded metropolitan area is roughly 4.8M-5M.
My impression from spending time in Quebec is that the further you get from Montreal, the less diverse it gets. It definitely becomes more Quebecois and less bilingual as well. Obviously numbers would confirm or refute that, but that is my impression. Montreal is similar to Boston in that way, in that the immigrant population stays as close to Boston as possible, minus a few exceptions (Lowell, Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, etc...) So the city and immediate metro area may grade above average, but the suburbs are noticeably white and native born.
Toronto on the other hand stretches that diversity out throughout the statistical area. It actually gets more diverse away from the downtown core.
You're right. Diversity is slowly spreading to Quebec beyond Montreal, to the city's suburbs and also to places like Sherbrooke and Gatineau. It's also spreading to Quebec City a bit though slower than the last two even though QC is much larger.
I still put Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta in the same group for Africans, and that's MY opinion.
You didn't make a point. Also, you can still do whatever you please. But it does not change the fact that outside of Nigeria, Dallas and Atlanta are more attractive areas from more African nations than Houston and Miami.
Africa:
- Montreal CMA: 157,860
- Boston CSA: 118,928
- Atlanta CSA: 83,017
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 78,623
- Houston CSA: 77,304
- Philadelphia CSA: 55,975
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 21,322
- Detroit CSA: 19,281
* If you're wondering why Montreal is so high, in the OPs post look at African countries that were formerly French colonies, like Morocco for example. You'll get it then. Francophone culture really does seem to have a more close-knit and connected culture than Anglophone areas.
Asia:
- Houston CSA: 379,061
- Boston CSA: 360,098
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 327,165
- Philadelphia CSA: 287,414
- Detroit CSA: 251,333
- Montreal CMA: 247,270
- Atlanta CSA: 238,581
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 134,051
Europe:
- Boston CSA: 254,790
- Montreal CMA: 250,855
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 144,101
- Philadelphia CSA: 124,410
- Detroit CSA: 96,310
- Atlanta CSA: 70,365
- Houston CSA: 70,251
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 57,218
Oceania:
- Houston CSA: 4,586
- Boston CSA: 4,444
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 4,323
- Atlanta CSA: 3,678
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 2,703
- Philadelphia CSA: 1,756
- Detroit CSA: 1,614
- Montreal CMA: 1,010
North America:
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 1,625,215
- Houston CSA: 912,896
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 764,749
- Atlanta CSA: 368,954
- Boston CSA: 348,630
- Philadelphia CSA: 215,101
- Detroit CSA: 84,126
South America:
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 480,883
- Boston CSA: 121,932
- Houston CSA: 70,914
- Atlanta CSA: 50,399
- Philadelphia CSA: 46,118
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 38,388
- Detroit CSA: 8,500
* North America as the world defines it is everything from the northernmost point of Canada (the North Pole I guess) all the way to Panama, where then the continent shifts to its sister continent from the Southern Hemisphere, South America.
** I don't have Montreal for North America and South America, the Canadian census only gives you "Americas" and doesn't give you breakdowns under that for North America and South America. No way to tell but Montreal CMA's total foreign born "Americas" (North America + South America) population comes out to 189,650. Fair to say, whatever North America and South America would have been, it wouldn't have been enough to take it from Miami either way.
*** Montreal CMA's numbers are from 2011, whereas the American cities are from 2014. In both instances these years represent the latest available data provided by each country's respective census agency. I feel like for Europe that Montreal present day would be the overall leader for the continent among the 8 cities.
Africa:
- Montreal CMA: 157,860
- Boston CSA: 118,928 - Atlanta CSA: 83,017
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 78,623
- Houston CSA: 77,304
- Philadelphia CSA: 55,975 - Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 21,322
- Detroit CSA: 19,281
* If you're wondering why Montreal is so high, in the OPs post look at African countries that were formerly French colonies, like Morocco for example. You'll get it then. Francophone culture really does seem to have a more close-knit and connected culture than Anglophone areas.
Asia:
- Houston CSA: 379,061
- Boston CSA: 360,098
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 327,165
- Philadelphia CSA: 287,414
- Detroit CSA: 251,333
- Montreal CMA: 247,270
- Atlanta CSA: 238,581
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 134,051
Europe:
- Boston CSA: 254,790
- Montreal CMA: 250,855
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 144,101
- Philadelphia CSA: 124,410
- Detroit CSA: 96,310
- Atlanta CSA: 70,365
- Houston CSA: 70,251
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 57,218
Oceania:
- Houston CSA: 4,586
- Boston CSA: 4,444
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 4,323
- Atlanta CSA: 3,678
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 2,703
- Philadelphia CSA: 1,756
- Detroit CSA: 1,614
- Montreal CMA: 1,010
North America:
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 1,625,215
- Houston CSA: 912,896
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 764,749
- Atlanta CSA: 368,954
- Boston CSA: 348,630
- Philadelphia CSA: 215,101
- Detroit CSA: 84,126
South America:
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale CSA: 480,883
- Boston CSA: 121,932
- Houston CSA: 70,914
- Atlanta CSA: 50,399
- Philadelphia CSA: 46,118
- Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: 38,388
- Detroit CSA: 8,500
* North America as the world defines it is everything from the northernmost point of Canada (the North Pole I guess) all the way to Panama, where then the continent shifts to its sister continent from the Southern Hemisphere, South America.
** I don't have Montreal for North America and South America, the Canadian census only gives you "Americas" and doesn't give you breakdowns under that for North America and South America. No way to tell but Montreal CMA's total foreign born "Americas" (North America + South America) population comes out to 189,650. Fair to say, whatever North America and South America would have been, it wouldn't have been enough to take it from Miami either way.
*** Montreal CMA's numbers are from 2011, whereas the American cities are from 2014. In both instances these years represent the latest available data provided by each country's respective census agency. I feel like for Europe that Montreal present day would be the overall leader for the continent among the 8 cities.
Thanks for this! Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta have similar numbers.
Thanks for this! Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta have similar numbers.
Overall for the continent as a whole, yes.
I believe Spade is correct though. Houston's African numbers are bolstered singularly by Nigeria. That is not to say that it does not have other African communities as it most definitely does, but both Atlanta and Dallas seem to represent a more even spread between African countries.
I'll do foreign born population by "region within continent" tomorrow.
peterlemonjello has the statistics on annual African immigration provided by the United States Department of Homeland Security.
I believe Spade is correct though. Houston's African numbers are bolstered singularly by Nigeria. That is not to say that it does not have other African communities as it most definitely does, but both Atlanta and Dallas seem to represent a more even spread between African countries.
I'll do foreign born population by "region within continent" tomorrow.
peterlemonjello has the statistics on annual African immigration provided by the United States Department of Homeland Security.
I guess we're both right. Dallas and Atlanta are more diverse, but Houston is still attractive to Africans no matter if Nigerians are the majority. Thanks for the information tho.
With that said, Nigerian people here think that there are way more than what the Census suggests.
The island of Montreal pretty much attracts all of whats listed here. I know we're talking about metropolitan to metropolitan basis, but living in Montreal and Miami, Montreal for sure has much more diversity than Miami (Island of Montreal vs Miami, not metropolitan), and no i'm not referring to percentages of races and all. Also regarding metropolitan areas, Montreal expanded metropolitan area is roughly 4.8M-5M.
Well I would say pretty much all these cities except Detroit are more diverse racially than Miami. Ethnically though, Miami breezes past the majority of them.
My impression from spending time in Quebec is that the further you get from Montreal, the less diverse it gets. It definitely becomes more Quebecois and less bilingual as well. Obviously numbers would confirm or refute that, but that is my impression. Montreal is similar to Boston in that way, in that the immigrant population stays as close to Boston as possible, minus a few exceptions (Lowell, Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, etc...) So the city and immediate metro area may grade above average, but the suburbs are noticeably white and native born.
Toronto on the other hand stretches that diversity out throughout the statistical area. It actually gets more diverse away from the downtown core.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Red John
Or perhaps not, Vancouver and Toronto are incredibly expensive (especially Vancouver), so perhaps a lot of their diversity in the far flung and outskirts can best be explained as "cheaper and more abundant housing". Something that perhaps Montreal doesn't have as much use for because it isn't nearly in the same tier for housing costs or affordability (or lackthereof).
I think this could have a lot to do with it. As it is, many of the "more diverse" parts of Montreal (but not all) are on the fringes of the urban core.
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