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Old 05-20-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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Well that's a silly game to play. If Houston were the same size as New York It would have smaller population than Phoenix.
Exactly. That's why I found the original post to be odd.

The initial claim was that LA's relative size was too small to be compared to NYC's relative size. If anything, the opposite is true. LA has much broader boundaries than NYC, yet smaller population, just like Houston has much broader boundaries than LA, yet smaller population.
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Unplugged from the matrix
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Well that's a silly game to play. If Houston were the same size as New York It would have smaller population than Phoenix.
Depends. If you draw the city limits to favor the SW and W parts of town, it would still be larger.
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Louisville
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Depends. If you draw the city limits to favor the SW and W parts of town, it would still be larger.

The same would also be true of LA's case as well, or any city if you were going to hypothetically shrink or expand it's borders. I was being facetious, tongue in cheek of you will.
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Phoenix has the same issue as Houston and LA. South of Baseline Road is really nothing but South Mountain and farm fields. North Phoenix near the 303 is also generally undeveloped. There are also several mountains in city limits so it's a moot point for pretty much any city to say that it's limited by geographical barriers. Urban area still seems to be the most useful method, even though it is also flawed.
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Old 05-20-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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Well that's a silly game to play. If Houston were the same size as New York It would have smaller population than Phoenix.
Exactly. What a odd statement to mske.
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Old 05-20-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Miami now has a density of 12,360 ppsm, up from 11,135 (2010)
Miami is in another boom now and is getting denser by the day. It's the most densely populated major city in the South.
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Old 05-20-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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What I'm trying to figure out is how is NYC sustaining this high growth? It would have to be building like 25k-30k multi-family units concurrently to keep up with this growth...I know Brooklyn just issued like 20k or something apartments permits last year, but that still takes time to actually start construction.
NYC has been #1 in multi-family construction volume for some time now, even before the recession. For about 15+ years now probably.
Btw, while Brooklyn is building a lot, Queens will overtake Brooklyn this year in new construction permits.

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Like just how many apartment/condos are currently U/C there?
I know at one point NYC had more skyscrapers U/C than all of United States combined. Not sure if its true right now. Currently, NYC has 19 skyscrapers (over 600 ft) U/C, of which 8 are supertalls. Also, 11 more skyscrapers are in a site prep stage and are going to start construction this year, 5 supertalls. After the current crop of supertalls is completed, NYC should overtake Dubai. Of course, skyscrapers are not the main form of new multi-family housing construction even for NYC, there are hundreds of highrises U/C as well.
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Old 05-20-2016, 02:58 PM
 
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Wow I wonder how long til Austin hits the 1million mark
Austin is fun but doesn't feel like it's that big
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Old 05-20-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Or a high rate of deaths and population loss, both which NYC has. For quite some time now, NYC loses about the same amount of people it adds each year.
In the 1960-2000s, but not anymore.

NYC is one of the few cities that is composed of counties that are all completely within its city limits, so you can find this in the American Community Survey's components of population change county estimates released a few months ago:

Population due to Net Migration (2010-2015)
New York City (New York, Kings, Queens, Bronx, Richmond Counties) + 56,639

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Cool, but UA, MSA, and CSA are all superior metrics.

Other than calculating homicide rates and configuring city budgets, who really even cares about city propers? It seems like a lethargic thing to put any emphasis and value in.
City propers do matter in real life though, for budgeting and taxes. They're actually more important than metro population for those people living in these cities.

And the culture between the cities and suburbs is so stark. NYC, for example. It just has its own very strong identity, and being lumped in with places like Monroe, PA, paints the place with a big brush that doesn't actually exist when you're actually in the city. I think this is true for a lot of the old cities.

If you're saying they don't matter from a city data forum standpoint, you're probably right that they don't really matter as much, especially for places like Phoenix and Houston because their city and suburbs are basically the same thing.

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Old 05-20-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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In the 1970-2000s, but not anymore.

Luckily, NYC is five counties, so you can find this in the American Community Survey's components of population change county estimates.

Population due to Migration (2010-2015)
New York City (New York, Kings, Queens, Bronx, Richmond Counties) + 56,639




City propers do matter in real life though, for budgeting and taxes. They're actually more important than metro population for those people living in these cities.

And the culture between the cities and suburbs is so stark. NYC, for example. It just has its own very strong identity, and being lumped in with places like NJ, PA, paints the place with a big brush that doesn't actually exist when you're actually in the city. I think this is true for a lot of the old cities.

If you're saying they don't matter from a city data forum standpoint, you're probably right that they don't really matter as much, especially for places like Phoenix and Houston because their city and suburbs are basically the same thing.
I couldn't be with this more. Truthfully media market is probably more meaningful than MSA. If you turn on your television and you can't get a cities local affiliate, you don't live in that city's metro.
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