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View Poll Results: What's the seventh most important city in the US?
Houston 72 23.92%
Philadelphia 94 31.23%
Phoenix 12 3.99%
Dallas 19 6.31%
Seattle 33 10.96%
Detroit 9 2.99%
Atlanta 41 13.62%
Miami 21 6.98%
Voters: 301. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-15-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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Other than trade with Asia, I can't think of a single objective measure where Seattle ranks ahead of Boston.

People conflate "hipness" with importance way too much.

Like I said before. Once you get past New York and Los Angeles, and maybe Chicago, the differences in cities importance becomes minuscule.

I thought it was only about economy but the OP states it's about food, economic diversity, national/international profile, vibrancy, and historical/cultural significance.

I am having a hard time seeing how Houston is ahead of Philadelphia in these attributes though. At worst they're tied.

Houston isn't more vibrant. It's not more historical. It's not more cultural. Food is subjective although the average person would be able to point out a number of Philadelphia foods vs. Houston (Mexican? Vietnamese?).

I don't wanna say Houston relies primarily on energy and oil but I don't think Philadelphia is as one-dimensional as that. Philadelphia doesn't have one area of the economy cornered like a lot of cities do. It's similar to Chicago. Diverse economies are also much more able to bounce back.

Universities and hospitals would have to go to Philadelphia as well.

I do know that Houston has grown into a behemoth. Philadelphia's profile was established much earlier though. If Houston were to be more important than Philadelphia, what makes it behind Boston? Because Boston is very similar to Philly. No?

None of this makes sense to me. Houston's GDP is larger and so it it's MSA though.
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Old 08-15-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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Like I said before. Once you get past New York and Los Angeles, and maybe Chicago, the differences in cities importance becomes minuscule.
So you think there's only miniscule difference in importance when it comes to Philly and Phoenix? Or Dallas and Detroit? Or Houston and Hampton Roads?

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I thought it was only about economy but the OP states it's about food, economic diversity, national/international profile, vibrancy, and historical/cultural significance.

I am having a hard time seeing how Houston is ahead of Philadelphia in these attributes though. At worst they're tied.

Houston isn't more vibrant. It's not more historical. It's not more cultural. Food is subjective although the average person would be able to point out a number of Philadelphia foods vs. Houston (Mexican? Vietnamese?).

I don't wanna say Houston relies primarily on energy and oil but I don't think Philadelphia is as one-dimensional as that. Philadelphia doesn't have one area of the economy cornered like a lot of cities do. It's similar to Chicago. Diverse economies are also much more able to bounce back.

Universities and hospitals would have to go to Philadelphia as well.

I do know that Houston has grown into a behemoth. Philadelphia's profile was established much earlier though. If Houston were to be more important than Philadelphia, what makes it behind Boston? Because Boston is very similar to Philly. No?

None of this makes sense to me.
I never made an argument about Houston and Philly (the complement each other more than anything), but Seattle ranking ahead of Boston? Not seeing it at all.
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Old 08-15-2016, 05:54 PM
 
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So you think there's only miniscule difference in importance when it comes to Philly and Phoenix? Or Dallas and Detroit? Or Houston and Hampton Roads?

When did I ever mention Phoenix or Hampton Roads?

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Old 08-15-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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If Boston and Philadelphia are 1a and 1b, how is Boston ahead of Houston but Philadelphia behind?

I think they're all in the same tier of cities anyway.

Outside of population and GDP, can someone make an argument for Houston here? Because like I said, vibrancy, national profile, food, historical/cultural significance, education, etc. I am at a loss.
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Old 08-15-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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...Boston?!?
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Old 08-15-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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...Boston?!?
yes.....
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Old 08-15-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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NYC
LA
Chicago
San Fran
Houston
Dallas
Philly
Atlanta
Seattle
Boston
Miami

So yes Philly would be #7.
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Old 08-15-2016, 07:32 PM
 
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This is assuming Boston is sixth which is debatable.

I've never bothered to rank any cities beyond New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, because let's face it, all of these cities (DC, Philly, Boston, SF, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, etc.) are interchangeable.
nope. not even close.

after the big 3, there's clearly the next big 3.


and the op has it perfect.

Boston has approved over 10M sq ft for new construction this year already. 1.9M sq ft just this month.


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by all statistical measures, Boston is about tied with the SF metro as the 5th most powerful economic center in USA....

but the following should serve as ample Proof where Boston and the Greater Boston metro area rank/s;

office space Millions of sq ft
updated Q1 2016

combined NYC metro - 523.4
Manhattan - 359.3
combined Cook County - n/a
Chicago - 159.0
combined Los Angeles + Downtown/Century City/Hollywood/Burbank/Glendale - n/a
Los Angeles Downtown (4 neighborhoods) - 33.2
combined Boston metro; Boston/Cambridge/Rt 128/495 Technology Belt - 221.6 (87.2 + 134.4)]
Washington D.C. - 144.4
Rt 128/495 Boston Technology Belt - 134.4
combined Bay Area metro (S.F./Oak/San Jose) - 128.4
San Francisco - 90.5, East Bay/Oakland - 29.5, San Jose - 10.1
Boston/Cambridge - 87.2 (64.04 + 22.44)
combined South Florida metro - 79.8
Miami - 30.9, Ft Lauderdale - 27.0, West Palm Bch - 21.8
combined Houston metro -n/a
Houston - 43.0
*Seattle - 52.5 *updated only to 2011
Atlanta - 56.9
Pittsburg metro - 51.1
Minneapolis-St Paul metro - 45.9
combined Baltimore Metro - 45.2
Baltimore - 22.4
Dallas/Ft Worth metroplex - 42.7
Dallas - 32.0, Ft Worth 10.7
Philadelphia - 42.0
Denver - 35.0
Detroit - 33.9
Kansas City MO/KS metro - 33.5
Portland, OR - 24.8
Charlotte - 22.3
Milwaukee - 21.5
Phoenix - 20.2
Columbus - 19.8
Cleveland - 19.6
Cincinnati - 17.8
Jacksonville - 16.1
Raleigh/Durham metro - 12.28
Orlando - 12.27
Sacramento - 12.2
Nashville - 12.2
St Louis - 11.5
Indianapolis - 11.5
Richmond - 11.0
Hartford, CT - 10.7
Stamford, CT - 10.5
San Diego - 10.4
Tampa metro - 10.0
Austin - 9.6



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Old 08-15-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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I'm sorry I didn't realize this had to do with office space boosted by being a state capital and housing the government sector as well.

Silly me.
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Old 08-15-2016, 07:42 PM
 
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When did I ever mention Phoenix or Hampton Roads?

You said outside of NY, LA, and Chicago, the differences in importance of cities is miniscule. Were you specifically talking about the cities on this poll? It read as though you were speaking in general.
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