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If they do pass Chicago it will only be on paper, and only because they are multi-nodal. Chicago still has a massive centralized core. It takes DC combining with Baltimore to surpass Chicago. It should be take into consideration that it "surpasses" Chicago's MSA , as a multi-nodal CSA. That's not the same metric. There is an over-reliance of CSA in this forum due to their inflation of cities on paper. The only CSA I would compare to Chicago with any ounce of credibility would be the Bay Area.
There is an over-reliance of CSA in this forum due to their inflation of cities on paper. The only CSA I would compare to Chicago with any ounce of credibility would be the Bay Area.
It sounds biased to pick and choose which city's CSA is more "credible" than another.
Either you count CSAs or you don't.
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If they do pass Chicago it will only be on paper, and only because they are multi-nodal. Chicago still has a massive centralized core. It takes DC combining with Baltimore to surpass Chicago. It should be take into consideration that it "surpasses" Chicago's MSA , as a multi-nodal CSA. That's not the same metric. There is an over-reliance of CSA in this forum due to their inflation of cities on paper. The only CSA I would compare to Chicago with any ounce of credibility would be the Bay Area.
Very good point in general but the Bay Area is the lynch-pin for multi-nodality. San Francisco gets 99% of the credit despite the fact that three major cities in San Fran, San Jose, and Oakland make up the region.
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Very good point in general but the Bay Area is the lynch-pin for multi-nodality. San Francisco gets 99% of the credit despite the fact that three major cities in San Fran, San Jose, and Oakland make up the region.
Exactly, that's three different cities, as opposed to two.
People on C-D are really trying to out smart the Census, like they create these metrics for no reason.
People on c-d are really trying to census units to real-life. The census does what it does, but we live in the real world. According to the census, North Africans are white. Forgive me if I don't take all of my cues from them.
People on c-d are really trying to census units to real-life. The census does what it does, but we live in the real world. According to the census, North Africans are white. Forgive me if I don't take all of my cues from them.
In the real world, BILLIONS of dollars of earned income leaves one MSA and is spent paying mortgages, car notes, etc in another MSA.
That's very much 'real-life' and that affects both MSAs no?
It sounds biased to pick and choose which city's CSA is more "credible" than another.
Either you count CSAs or you don't.
I am definitely biased against CSA's as a comparison metric. In this case specifically you have distinct cores in DC and Baltimore, to Chicago's one. DC and Baltimore are definitely close to each other and their Urban Areas blend. What is intellectually dishonest is the insinuation that Baltimore is dependent on DC, when it was established as a population center 60 years before DC was founded, and emerged as an independent metropolitan area and city, before the regions started to blend.
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Very good point in general but the Bay Area is the lynch-pin for multi-nodality. San Francisco gets 99% of the credit despite the fact that three major cities in San Fran, San Jose, and Oakland make up the region.
While I understand the Bay area is Nodal, these cities emerged as an Urban area simultaneously with no separation in development. They are interdependent with SF as the flagship. Because MSA's are calculated on county lines, there is no discretion for their application, as before 2003 San Jose was not considered a separate metro. People talk about how we ignore the census definitions. Yet there are some examples where you can stay in the same CITY, and switch MSA's. I don't see how that can't be taken into consideration when having these discussions.
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People on c-d are really trying to census units to real-life. The census does what it does, but we live in the real world. According to the census, North Africans are white. Forgive me if I don't take all of my cues from them.
I live in the real world too. The real world where the areas surrounding Baltimore and Washington combined (in which people cross commute daily) are about to surpass Chicago and its surrounding areas in population in about four years. I'm not touting this nor do I really care, as I said Chicago is one big city all by itself, but in reality this is whats bound to happen. Nothing for people to feel any type of way about it.
I live in the real world too. The real world where the areas surrounding Baltimore and Washington combined (in which people cross commute daily) are about to surpass Chicago and its surrounding areas in population in about four years. I'm not touting this nor do I really care, as I said Chicago is one big city all by itself, but in reality this is whats bound to happen. Nothing for people to feel any type of way about it.
so on paper the CSA will be bigger Chicago is a significantly larger city then either Cook county is nearly the size of either the DC msa or inner bay alone and spending time in Chicago you in reality realize how much larger a city Chicago is compared to DC or SF. If you need to count Sterling VA and Bel Air MD to claim larger then Chicago you are not bigger, reality. If you need to include non inner bay (population at best at 5.8 million) with peripheral commuter locales again you are smaller.
CSA fails to estimate actual urban area. it captures a lot of far flung commuter counties
Chicago today and tomorrow is leaps and bounds larger than either DC or SF at the CSA level, the other two get comparable when adding far flung commuter counties that have no core of their own.
For DC add Howard and Anne Arundal and you still far smaller or for the bay take all the inner bay counties of SF and SJ and again you are still far smaller. resident you love to add Baltimore on CSA population then in the same breath dismiss Baltimore which is it?
DC beating Chicago CSA in population is like Houston or Phoenix saying they are a bigger city when compared to Philly on paper yes in reality no
So claim CSA as a bragging right to me CSA is the most useless census measure that exists
much of which is based on where county lines are drawn which is arbitrary but I guess serves a purpose for some people to feel beter.
Which is larger DC, SF or Chicago? hmm easy answer though if you want to say the people in Hancock MD and harve de grace (Closer to city hall in Philly then the capital in DC) put DC over edge enjoy and have it. Or if including Stockton and people that commute ( a minority into Santa clara and not the Fidi again have at it). CSA is liberal beyond belief though will still say the inner bay should be one MSA and functions as such. DC does not (parts of howard and Anne Arundal sure but come on no one is moving to Vienna to commute to Baltimore and no one is moving to Bel Air to commute to Herndon get a grip
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