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View Poll Results: Which one wins overall?
Toronto 53 39.85%
Brooklyn 80 60.15%
Voters: 133. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-20-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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Originally Posted by OhTheUrbanity View Post
Because it doesn't. Brooklyn fails miserably compared to Toronto.
Did you even glance at the poll results?

Which one wins overall?
Brooklyn 63%
Toronto 37%

 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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lol no it's not. I think Chicago looks and feels more urban/bigger than Toronto. I personally believe that Chicago truly is a mini new york in some regard. Have you ever been to Chicago? The google images don't do it justice seeing as you don't get the vibrant feel through them, but yes I would say Chicago is more urban than Toronto.

https://goo.gl/maps/LaqPKnucmm32

https://goo.gl/maps/Gd28tw86hfM2

https://goo.gl/maps/1xJqfLv3TAP2

https://goo.gl/maps/RR3cNBE2hhz

https://goo.gl/maps/eR9roRQU6Ru

Even neighborhoods 6 miles outside of the city core can look like this

https://goo.gl/maps/j82L6ZZr2g22
Toronto's no slouch when it comes to downtown skyscraper density:

https://goo.gl/maps/rbK3nZoXdh52

https://goo.gl/maps/rnCxNod1FA32

Then there's Dundas Square: https://goo.gl/maps/NVwYuAPDa1r

Heading away from downtown within the city limits:

This is 5 miles from downtown Toronto: https://goo.gl/maps/BJmHNLVuokR2

This is 10 miles from downtown Toronto. https://goo.gl/maps/Jw5RhuoLHmC2
 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Manhattan!
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I mean I don't think New Yorkers have a high standard, I just think it's the truth. For a city that acts like it's the NYC of Canada one would assume that it's more urban than it is, I mean even Chicago is way more urban that Toronto is. I'm not knocking Toronto, and who says that only urban cities can be desirable anyway? Although it's a little bit of a let down when things like this are located in the core of the area.

https://goo.gl/maps/UWYAGctu9wF2

https://goo.gl/maps/BxmMKDCkJ962

https://goo.gl/maps/BTtsckfhomF2

https://goo.gl/maps/AqUJbLuJpxF2

https://goo.gl/maps/u4y8a6r8PFy

Other world class cities that Toronto likes to compare itself to like NYC, London, Chicago, San Francisco, Paris, ect. look and feel a lot less suburban. Again, I'm not knocking Toronto I'm just saying it's a pretty valid argument that people are making, especially from northeast cities, when they say "Toronto seems a little suburban".
Unrelated, but anyone else notice those 2 guys posing/waving at the Google Streetview car in pic #3?
 
Old 09-20-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Boston
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I don't see anything suburban about those areas you linked. They're tightly packed urban, walkable residential areas (with 30-40,000 ppsm) with lots of rowhouses, semi-detached homes and apartment buildings. Just because they're not 3-4 storey brownstones doesn't mean they're not dense and urban, just less so than some of the low-rise residential areas areas you'd find in parts of Brooklyn. Brooklyn does have areas that are much less dense and urban than those Toronto examples, such as this:

https://goo.gl/maps/DbD3R2Ufa9w
Really? You can't see ANYTHING suburban about the areas of Toronto I linked? They look super suburban to me. Also, sure Brooklyn has suburban areas but once again it's not the main center of the city...that would be manhattan. You could not find any areas similar to what I linked in/near the center of Manhattan. Also yeah IK that Toronto is no slouch when it comes to high rises and urban streets, I just feel like Chicago feels and looks bigger/more urban. While Toronto has urban streets like what you linked in your other post, the main difference is that in Chicago urban streets/high rises are of greater volume. Chicago has a larger downtown and a larger chunk of Chicago in general is extremely urban compared to Toronto...that's one of the sole reasons why I think Chicago looks and feels bigger. I'm not knocking Toronto by saying that because obviously it has some impressively urban streets.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 10:18 PM
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Location: Miami
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Really? You can't see ANYTHING suburban about the areas of Toronto I linked? They look super suburban to me. Also, sure Brooklyn has suburban areas but once again it's not the main center of the city...that would be manhattan. You could not find any areas similar to what I linked in/near the center of Manhattan. Also yeah IK that Toronto is no slouch when it comes to high rises and urban streets, I just feel like Chicago feels and looks bigger/more urban. While Toronto has urban streets like what you linked in your other post, the main difference is that in Chicago urban streets/high rises are of greater volume. Chicago has a larger downtown and a larger chunk of Chicago in general is extremely urban compared to Toronto...that's one of the sole reasons why I think Chicago looks and feels bigger. I'm not knocking Toronto by saying that because obviously it has some impressively urban streets.
Super Suburban? I got to stop you there. Outside of the Row houses, I consider those Urban Detached Housing, you see those throughout London and NY, even in Jersey, Boston, Pittsburgh, and even CHICAGO; they're very much Urban.

This is what I consider "Suburban."

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7486...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7511...7i13312!8i6656
 
Old 09-20-2016, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Super Suburban? I got to stop you there. Outside of the Row houses, I consider those Urban Detached Housing, you see those throughout London and NY, even in Jersey, Boston, Pittsburgh, and even CHICAGO; they're very much Urban.

This is what I consider "Suburban."

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7486...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7511...7i13312!8i6656
Honestly, saying super suburban was a bit of exaggeration...I'll own up to that but it's still suburban looking in my opinion...obviously not as suburban as the google images you just linked....

My point was that unlike Manhattan or London, ect. toronto has suburban looking homes right next to their downtown/the core of the city which is why a lot of people complain about Toronto feeling "too suburban".
 
Old 09-20-2016, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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Really? You can't see ANYTHING suburban about the areas of Toronto I linked? They look super suburban to me. Also, sure Brooklyn has suburban areas but once again it's not the main center of the city...that would be manhattan. You could not find any areas similar to what I linked in/near the center of Manhattan. Also yeah IK that Toronto is no slouch when it comes to high rises and urban streets, I just feel like Chicago feels and looks bigger/more urban. While Toronto has urban streets like what you linked in your other post, the main difference is that in Chicago urban streets/high rises are of greater volume. Chicago has a larger downtown and a larger chunk of Chicago in general is extremely urban compared to Toronto...that's one of the sole reasons why I think Chicago looks and feels bigger. I'm not knocking Toronto by saying that because obviously it has some impressively urban streets.
They won't stop until you bow down and proclaim Toronto the greatest city since Babylon. No joke, the Toronto fanboys on C-D are drunk with inferiority complexes. Tell them they are special snowflakes and move on. And tell them Toronto is diverse. That makes them tingle all over. If you can state, "and Chicago's totally in decline," they might even make you their leader.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Boston
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They won't stop until you bow down and proclaim Toronto the greatest city since Babylon. No joke, the Toronto fanboys on C-D are drunk with inferiority complexes. Tell them they are special snowflakes and move on. And tell them Toronto is diverse. That makes them tingle all over. If you can state, "and Chicago's totally in decline," they might even make you their leader.
haha yeah so I've discovered. I wasn't even trying to knock Toronto. Toronto is not really a fan favorite here, it often gets described as "boring for a city of its size" and I was just stating why I think some people don't like it as much as other world class cities. I'm also trying to wrap my head around why some people on here are still trying to deny that Chicago is more urban/vibrant feeling and looking than Toronto is ?
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:59 PM
 
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haha yeah so I've discovered. I wasn't even trying to knock Toronto. Toronto is not really a fan favorite here, it often gets described as "boring for a city of its size" and I was just stating why I think some people don't like it as much as other world class cities. I'm also trying to wrap my head around why some people on here are still trying to deny that Chicago is more urban/vibrant feeling and looking than Toronto is ?
I think it might be because Toronto is Canada's only answer to the USA's big 3, so they have to denounce everything in comparison with it, whenever possible, to make it seem like Canada can compete. I actually like Toronto quite a bit, but IMO it's less vibrant and fun than other cities they consider its peers ie. SF, NYC, Chi.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 01:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by intheclouds1 View Post
lol no it's not. I think Chicago looks and feels more urban/bigger than Toronto. I personally believe that Chicago truly is a mini new york in some regard. Have you ever been to Chicago? The google images don't do it justice seeing as you don't get the vibrant feel through them, but yes I would say Chicago is more urban than Toronto.

https://goo.gl/maps/LaqPKnucmm32

https://goo.gl/maps/Gd28tw86hfM2

https://goo.gl/maps/1xJqfLv3TAP2

https://goo.gl/maps/RR3cNBE2hhz

https://goo.gl/maps/eR9roRQU6Ru

Even neighborhoods 6 miles outside of the city core can look like this

https://goo.gl/maps/j82L6ZZr2g22

You didn't answer my question. By what metrics is Chicago more urban than Toronto?

You can show suburban-looking Google Streetviews of Toronto. But you can do the exact same thing for Chicago. The population density in the two cities is basically identical.
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