Does Toronto's urban structure have more in common with large US Midwest Cities or large US Northeast Cities? (best, quality)

[joey joe-joe]

Originally Posted by Lyndarn

Sorry..But comparing American Cities to Toronto will always lead to a "FALSE NARRATIVE"...while Cities may appear similar by appearance..the people who live in Toronto do NOT live under the same contraint's..

In other words..Canadians do not have to fear LE oppressions as WE do have avenues ..meantime American LE get passes for obvious biased treatments of citizens!! American's HATE and often complain Canada is far too Socialistic..so Hey..Complain all you wish..but regardless of who your are, where you come from, colour of your skin..WE ALL have RIGHTS..and being shot by POLICE is never accepted and exonerated here!!

I know this thread is all about structure..BUT the under-theme is comparing lifestyle and freedom or worse suggesting one side is better than the other. Point is..Structures do NOT say anything..they are inanimate..So what is OP actually asking ???

IS op asking what's in common..Physically SAME..Civilians NOTHING..Thought I would add this~~ Even tho our civilians are made up of similar populations..It appears Politics south of 49th parallel differs greatly!!

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Originally Posted by Lyndarn

Sorry..But comparing American Cities to Toronto will always lead to a "FALSE NARRATIVE"...while Cities may appear similar by appearance..the people who live in Toronto do NOT live under the same contraint's..

In other words..Canadians do not have to fear LE oppressions as WE do have avenues ..meantime American LE get passes for obvious biased treatments of citizens!! American's HATE and often complain Canada is far too Socialistic..so Hey..Complain all you wish..but regardless of who your are, where you come from, colour of your skin..WE ALL have RIGHTS..and being shot by POLICE is never accepted and exonerated here!!

I know this thread is all about structure..BUT the under-theme is comparing lifestyle and freedom or worse suggesting one side is better than the other. Point is..Structures do NOT say anything..they are inanimate..So what is OP actually asking ???

IS op asking what's in common..Physically SAME..Civilians NOTHING..Thought I would add this~~ Even tho our civilians are made up of similar populations..It appears Politics south of 49th parallel differs greatly!!

Ughhhh, are you good? lol. It's not that deep bro. hahaha

[Enean]

This thread is about city "structure", not politics.

[That_One_Guy]

Canada isn't really all that different from the US...

Anyway, to all the people saying that Toronto is similar to NYC: let me just say that I'm from NYC and I have been to Toronto and I definitely did not feel like that at all when I was there.
Before I went there I heard from people that it was like "Canada's NYC", but I don't see it. They do have a little mini Times Square though, but that doesn't make it like NYC.

I definitely wasn't getting any NYC vibes at all. It actually felt kind of suburban to me. It's a cool city though.

Montreal is a city that I feel like is more similar to the Northeast US

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Some people just love to start bs for no reason at all, lol take that somewhere else man.

[Othello Is Here]

Originally Posted by Lyndarn

Sorry..But comparing American Cities to Toronto will always lead to a "FALSE NARRATIVE"...while Cities may appear similar by appearance..the people who live in Toronto do NOT live under the same contraint's..

In other words..Canadians do not have to fear LE oppressions as WE do have avenues ..meantime American LE get passes for obvious biased treatments of citizens!! American's HATE and often complain Canada is far too Socialistic..so Hey..Complain all you wish..but regardless of who your are, where you come from, colour of your skin..WE ALL have RIGHTS..and being shot by POLICE is never accepted and exonerated here!!

I know this thread is all about structure..BUT the under-theme is comparing lifestyle and freedom or worse suggesting one side is better than the other. Point is..Structures do NOT say anything..they are inanimate..So what is OP actually asking ???

IS op asking what's in common..Physically SAME..Civilians NOTHING..Thought I would add this~~ Even tho our civilians are made up of similar populations..It appears Politics south of 49th parallel differs greatly!!

Well not to get off topic but every Western country suffers from these sames things.You cant be a person of color the way you talk with such authority on what and how your government treats people because the only difference in America with cops and blacks is their are more guns but the discrimination is no different.
As any black (male)person going through the Canadian border. They will tell you.Protests to follow police killing of black man in Canada

I should also add that I just got home with a friend who is from Edmondton discussing these very social differences for over 2 hours

[Othello Is Here]

Originally Posted by That_One_Guy

Canada isn't really all that different from the US...

Anyway, to all the people saying that Toronto is similar to NYC: let me just say that I'm from NYC and I have been to Toronto and I definitely did not feel like that at all when I was there.
Before I went there I heard from people that it was like "Canada's NYC", but I don't see it. They do have a little mini Times Square though, but that doesn't make it like NYC.

I definitely wasn't getting any NYC vibes at all. It actually felt kind of suburban to me. It's a cool city though.

Montreal is a city that I feel like is more similar to the Northeast US

LOL.Only a New Yorker would say this about a city as dense as Toronto.

I will say that I was surprised to see as many surface parking lots as i did in Toronto.

[bostonkid123]

I think another important factor that sets Toronto apart from your typical midwest metro is transit usage/ridership and transport patterns.

According to Stats Canada's 2011 data, 23.3% of worker commutes in the Greater Toronto Area are by public transit, 4.6% by walking, and 1.2% by biking. I'd imagine that this data is even higher in Toronto city-proper, and also higher now in 2016 given Toronto's recent transit and regional express rail expansions. Public transit is arguably the top priority topic in Toronto's public sphere, with near universal agreement that capital expansions are needed.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/.../tbl1a-eng.cfm

Another way to look at it is by aggregate transit ridership. I found the wiki ranking below, the data is a few years old but should give a good ballpark. In North America, Toronto ranks 4th in total aggregate transit ridership after NYC, MC, and MTL - an impressive feat given the city's limited subway network (only 43 miles of subway track compared with DC's 117 miles, Chicago's 103 miles, and SF's 104 miles).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership

Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the above, and your personal experiences with Toronto's public transit vs. other NE/Midwest cities.

[Atticman]

Originally Posted by bostonkid123

I think another important factor that sets Toronto apart from your typical midwest metro is transit usage/ridership and transport patterns.

According to Stats Canada's 2011 data, 23.3% of worker commutes in the Greater Toronto Area are by public transit, 4.6% by walking, and 1.2% by biking. I'd imagine that this data is even higher in Toronto city-proper, and also higher now in 2016 given Toronto's recent transit and regional express rail expansions. Public transit is arguably the top priority topic in Toronto's public sphere, with near universal agreement that capital expansions are needed.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/.../tbl1a-eng.cfm

Another way to look at it is by aggregate transit ridership. I found the wiki ranking below, the data is a few years old but should give a good ballpark. In North America, Toronto ranks 4th in total aggregate transit ridership after NYC, MC, and MTL - an impressive feat given the city's limited subway network (only 43 miles of subway track compared with DC's 117 miles, Chicago's 103 miles, and SF's 104 miles).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership

Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the above, and your personal experiences with Toronto's public transit vs. other NE/Midwest cities.

Yep, and the Toronto Transit Commission's daily ridership of 2.7 million is ranked 2nd in the U.S. and Canada after the MTA in NYC (8.66 million daily riders).

[Bloomfield1]

Originally Posted by bostonkid123

I think another important factor that sets Toronto apart from your typical midwest metro is transit usage/ridership and transport patterns.

That doesn't make much sense, though.

Canada, as a whole, is much more transit-oriented than the U.S., as a whole. Salaries are lower, auto costs are higher, road networks are more limited and transit is more extensive, so Canadians tend to ride transit more.

So obviously Toronto will have higher transit usage than a typical Midwest (or typical anywhere in the U.S.) city. That's entirely expected, and has nothing to do with Toronto or the Midwest specifically.

Calgary has very high transit use compared to most place in the U.S. That doesn't mean that Calgary is "like Philly" or something. It's just that different countries have different mobility breakdowns.

And while Toronto has high transit ridership, I wouldn't say it has unusually good transit for North American standards. It has a relatively limited rail system, and the network is heavily oriented towards buses. I would say, in U.S./Canada, there are at least a half dozen cities with better transit networks.

NYC, Montreal, DC, Boston, Philly, Chicago and SF all probably have better transit networks, especially rail networks, and downtown-focused transit. I think only SF would be debatable, really.