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View Poll Results: Best choice for the second expansion team in the NBA, if the NBA chooses to expand?
Mexico City 13 4.30%
Montreal 16 5.30%
San Diego 23 7.62%
Vancouver 14 4.64%
Tampa 6 1.99%
Baltimore 15 4.97%
Pittsburgh 20 6.62%
Saint Louis 42 13.91%
Las Vegas 53 17.55%
Austin 23 7.62%
Kansas City 36 11.92%
Louisville 15 4.97%
Raleigh 4 1.32%
Richmond 4 1.32%
Virginia Beach/Norfolk 13 4.30%
Omaha 5 1.66%
Voters: 302. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-18-2016, 02:55 AM
 
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1. Kansas City/Omaha ( Sacramento Kings )
2. Vancouver Canada ( Memphis )
3. San Diego ( LA Clippers )
4. New Orleans ( Salt Lake City )
5. New Orleans ( Charlotte NC )
6. Seattle ( Oklahoma City Oklahoma )
7. Cincinnati ( Kansas City/Omaha )
8. Saint Louis ( Atlanta )
9. Milwaukee ( Saint Louis )
I knew about the Grizzlies being in Vancouver previously, didn't see it on the list until just now. Seattle, New Orleans (which has the Pelicans) weren't on the OP's poll. Btw, New Orleans Hornets didn't move back to Chrarlotte. They were just renamed the Pelicans, the new Charlotte Hornets were an expansion team
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:10 AM
 
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I wonder if there would be too much regional infighting over which city should actually host the team for the Hampton Roads area to get a major league team in the near future.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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I knew about the Grizzlies being in Vancouver previously, didn't see it on the list until just now. Seattle, New Orleans (which has the Pelicans) weren't on the OP's poll. Btw, New Orleans Hornets didn't move back to Chrarlotte. They were just renamed the Pelicans, the new Charlotte Hornets were an expansion team
They were considered an expansion team when the Hornets left for New Orleans in 2002 and Charlotte got the Bobcats the next year. The new Hornets franchise is just a rebranding (or, more accurately, a "retrobranding") of the Bobcats.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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Here's the article again from CBS News that OP posted that weighs the pros and cons of many of the cities listed here. Again, I personally think Las Vegas is the next best option for the league after Seattle, though Pittsburgh might also make a great pick.

With NBA expansion rumored, a look at the pros, cons and prospective cities - CBSSports.com

Las Vegas: Obviously the market is there. After the 2007 All-Star Game did not go over terribly well, there was a lot of talk that the league would never explore it. But under Adam Silver, that could change, especially now that the NFL looks ready to adapt it as a new city. Silver has been welcoming of the idea of sports betting being adapted and integrated by U.S. sports leagues, and they have T-Mobile Arena which just opened this year. If the league thinks it works as a full-time market, this makes a lot of sense as a second city, and then the league would move Memphis or New Orleans to the Eastern Conference

Pittsburgh: It's ranked 23rd in television market, and supports both a baseball and football team remarkably well. It would be easy to slot in another East team, and would make for a great combo rivalry with the Sixers. They have Consol Energy Arena, which hosts March Madness games and seats 19,000, just right for an NBA team. Ownership is the question mark here.
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Old 10-18-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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Default Action Speech's Louder Than Words

This is a interesting thread because it allows for all types of ( guessamations ) but action speak's louder than words. Which cities is going to pony up and build ( A NBA Caliber Arena ) for this so called rumored expansion NBA Team , and not become over saturated?


1.Saint Louis MO......MLB.......NHL....could handle the NBA.....
2. Kansas City MO ........NFL.....MLB...MLS....is over saturated.
3. Lost Wages Nut badder.....NHL....NFL.....is over saturated.
4. Pittsburgh PA.....NFL....MLB.....NHL...is over saturated.
5. Baltimore MD......NFL.....could handle the NBA & NHL.
6.Louisville KY......No Billion Dollar Man To Build The Arena.
7. Tidewater/Hampton Roads....Trying can't build an NBA Caliber Arena.
8.Vancouver Canada.....Had NBA Team that no one cared about.
9. Nashville TN....NFL.....NHL...over saturated.
10. Columbus OH.....NHL....could support a NBA team.
11. Tulsa OK....Tulsa Oklahoma would not support anything that wasn't a Museum ...

#2 Kansas City has been trying to get an NBA/NHL team since the Sprint Center was built, as
a matter of fact Kansas City/Oklahoma City/Tulsa Oklahoma all attempted to lure Pittsburgh
NHL Team to town before Pittsburgh broke down and built them a brand new Arena.


#11 Tulsa Oklahoma had a WNBA Team The Tulsa Shocks...couldn't keep them....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Shock
Tulsa Talons....couldn't keep them.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Talons
Tulsa Oklahoma World Class Arena Will not have major league teams for the next 20 yrs.
Home - BOK Center
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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This is a interesting thread because it allows for all types of ( guessamations ) but action speak's louder than words. Which cities is going to pony up and build ( A NBA Caliber Arena ) for this so called rumored expansion NBA Team , and not become over saturated?


1.Saint Louis MO......MLB.......NHL....could handle the NBA.....
2. Kansas City MO ........NFL.....MLB...MLS....is over saturated.
3. Lost Wages Nut badder.....NHL....NFL.....is over saturated.
4. Pittsburgh PA.....NFL....MLB.....NHL...is over saturated.
5. Baltimore MD......NFL.....could handle the NBA & NHL.
6.Louisville KY......No Billion Dollar Man To Build The Arena.
7. Tidewater/Hampton Roads....Trying can't build an NBA Caliber Arena.
8.Vancouver Canada.....Had NBA Team that no one cared about.
9. Nashville TN....NFL.....NHL...over saturated.
10. Columbus OH.....NHL....could support a NBA team.
11. Tulsa OK....Tulsa Oklahoma would not support anything that wasn't a Museum ...

#2 Kansas City has been trying to get an NBA/NHL team since the Sprint Center was built, as
a matter of fact Kansas City/Oklahoma City/Tulsa Oklahoma all attempted to lure Pittsburgh
NHL Team to town before Pittsburgh broke down and built them a brand new Arena.


#11 Tulsa Oklahoma had a WNBA Team The Tulsa Shocks...couldn't keep them....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Shock
Tulsa Talons....couldn't keep them.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Talons
Tulsa Oklahoma World Class Arena Will not have major league teams for the next 20 yrs.
Home - BOK Center
Generally being a strong MLS market means the place has entertainment dollars in excess. Hence Portland, KC, and the NFL-less Los Angeles were strong soccer markets. So I think an NBA team would overwhelm the MLS team because the NBA is a better product than the MLS.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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I wonder if there would be too much regional infighting over which city should actually host the team for the Hampton Roads area to get a major league team in the near future.
I know what youre getting at, but Virginia Beach has been accepted as having the best location and support for building a stadium, with Norfolk mentioned as a long term option. But the Beach has a plan, proposal, backing all behind it, while Norfolk doesn't...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Beach_Arena

Now, from a logistics standpoint, Norfolk makes the most sense because it's directly in the middle of the metro, it is the cultural center and "The City". Personally, though, I'd love to see a team in HRVA, but I think there are too many more attractive markets besides the Tidewater...
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:59 PM
 
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This is a interesting thread because it allows for all types of ( guessamations ) but action speak's louder than words. Which cities is going to pony up and build ( A NBA Caliber Arena ) for this so called rumored expansion NBA Team , and not become over saturated?


1.Saint Louis MO......MLB.......NHL....could handle the NBA.....
2. Kansas City MO ........NFL.....MLB...MLS....is over saturated.
3. Lost Wages Nut badder.....NHL....NFL.....is over saturated.
4. Pittsburgh PA.....NFL....MLB.....NHL...is over saturated.
5. Baltimore MD......NFL.....could handle the NBA & NHL.
6.Louisville KY......No Billion Dollar Man To Build The Arena.
7. Tidewater/Hampton Roads....Trying can't build an NBA Caliber Arena.
8.Vancouver Canada.....Had NBA Team that no one cared about.
9. Nashville TN....NFL.....NHL...over saturated.
10. Columbus OH.....NHL....could support a NBA team.
11. Tulsa OK....Tulsa Oklahoma would not support anything that wasn't a Museum ...

#2 Kansas City has been trying to get an NBA/NHL team since the Sprint Center was built, as
a matter of fact Kansas City/Oklahoma City/Tulsa Oklahoma all attempted to lure Pittsburgh
NHL Team to town before Pittsburgh broke down and built them a brand new Arena.


#11 Tulsa Oklahoma had a WNBA Team The Tulsa Shocks...couldn't keep them....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Shock
Tulsa Talons....couldn't keep them.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Talons
Tulsa Oklahoma World Class Arena Will not have major league teams for the next 20 yrs.
Home - BOK Center
People like to use those stats to attempt to predict how many sports teams a market will handle, but there are too many variables that are not taken into account.

Some cities are just bigger sports towns. Denver for example is very small for all the teams they support, yet they still support all their teams well.

Do you really think that Columbus could support two pro winter sports teams? They would need to draw 17,000 people a game almost every night during the winter. Why would KC, which supports three teams that overlap in the fall plus has a major zoo, water and theme parks etc, not be able to support one winter sport when there is not much else to compete with?

Baltimore could not support the NBA or NHL. Not with DC nearby.

Tulsa is too small and too close to OKC.

St Louis would have a hard time supporting the NBA because they already have the NHL. I'm not sure it's big enough to support both winter sports. It easily supported the Rams though. They city gets a bad rap.

Omaha keeps getting mentioned, but it's way too small for the NBA. I do think an NHL team could work there though.

Metro areas without NBA often talked about and my personal opinion on if they could support an NBA franchise:

SEATTLE (YES). Seattle is a huge metro and doesn't have either NBA or NHL. Good sports town. Just need an arena.

PITTSBURGH (NO). No with wildly popular NHL team, plus two other major league teams. Something would have to give and it would likely be the NBA team.

ST LOUIS (NO). Similar to Pittsburgh, the Blues will always be king there, plus the Cards gobble up all the sports fans money in the summer and what's left will go to the Blues. MLS would be amazing there though.

LAS VEGAS (YES). NBA seems like a perfect fit for Vegas. It will give the locals something to do while also catering to the high rollers visiting the strip as a place to entertain and be seen.

KANSAS CITY (YES). Big sports town, huge regional population beyond metro to draw from. New NBA caliber arena in urban entertainment district, entertaining options lacking in winter. No local owner interested though.

VANCOUVER (YES). Big city, no other sports, large regional draw. Canada supports thier teams, but they publicly funded stadiums and value of the dollar seem to be problems. I think MLB would do well too.

BALTIMORE (NO). Too much overlap with DC which has established teams in both NHL and NBA that includes fans from much of Baltimore area. No arena deal likely anyway.

LOUISVILLE. (YES). Large enough metro without other pro sports. NBA would do well there I think.

CINCINNATI (YES). See Kansas City. Need arena and local owner though.

SAN DIEGO (YES). Large metro, no winter sports. Another city without new arena and owner though.

NASHVILLE (NO). Just not big enough for NBA and NHL.

OMAHA (NO). Might support NHL, but not NBA.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:43 PM
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6.Louisville KY......No Billion Dollar Man To Build The Arena.
Well, they have this... still mostly brand new...

http://populous.com/wp-content/uploa...wl-990x465.jpg

So for your case against Louisville, they HAVE the arena... just not the billionaire.

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Old 10-18-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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To people who think a market can be oversaturated, Greater NYC has THREE NHL teams (Rangers, Islanders and Devils), so oversaturated doesn't exist
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