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View Poll Results: Which is the most-powerful, culturally-significant, world-class city??
Montréal 17 14.91%
Toronto 20 17.54%
Chicago 77 67.54%
Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-15-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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Its just so odd all that Frank Gehr has done in Chicago but to date not one completed project even in his birth place of Toronto.Hmm makes you wonder.
The Art Gallery of Ontario (Toronto's largest art gallery) underwent a major renovation in 2008 with a new addition designed by... you guessed it -- Frank Gehry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Gallery_of_Ontario







Toronto Star article from earlier this year about Gehry contemplating moving back to Toronto:

https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...o-toronto.html

 
Old 11-15-2016, 05:49 PM
 
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Chicago is at a disadvantage compared to Toronto in that Americans continue to flee to the Sun Belt and in Canada there is no option for that so they head to the biggest city and one of the nation's more benign climates. Toronto is a hub of immigration which means a lot in Canada as most of our population growth is due to immigrants having a significantly lower birth rate than the US.

These are things that make Chicago maintaining it's stature certainly difficult but the city has benefits that few others can offer. Great restaurants, shopping, cultural amenities that only NY/SF/Boston/Wash/LA can compare to but unlike all those cities, Chicago is affordable. Chicago should build on these strengths.

There is, however, one thing that makes the city VERY unappealing and only Chicago can take the blame for...........it's frightening crime rate. The city can try to sugar coat it or say "it's better than .............." but that is absolutely no excuse. The crime in the city is nothing short of horrifying. It's racial segregation, socio/economic stratification, and poor public education system are mostly to blame but that's up to the city & state to do something about.

The city will not maintain {little alone increase} it's stature until the issue of crime and race is given 110% attention and not invariably written off as a "black problem." If the city is to raise it's importance to it's glory days then this is an essential step. Chicago is a great city but it's crime levels have given the city a black-eye and done enormous damage to the city's reputation both domestic and foreign.
Good post, especially the bolded part. Chicago's crime problems are so bad Spike Lee got on a plane, flew to Chicago and made a movie about it (Chi-Raq) that went straight to theatres. He didn't film a crime movie about Baltimore, Oakland, Memphis, New Orleans or Detroit. It was Chicago.

This recent NY Post Article details how bad the horrifying crime is in Chicago.

A couple of the highlights from the article...

While Mayor Bill de Blasio recently crowed about the “safest October” since the NYPD began compiling computerized crime statistics in the early 1990s, his counterpart in Chicago, Rahm Emanuel, has been presiding over a relentless bloodbath that left 18 residents dead over a single weekend last month.

New York saw a 5.6 percent decline in murders this year through October — to 286, down from 303 — but the Windy City recorded 625 murders over the same time, despite having a population one-third the size of New York’s.

Chicago’s surging homicide toll for 2016 — which stood at 656 as of Monday — also marks the first time since 2003 that more than 600 people have been killed there in a single year, putting the city on track to record its most annual murders since 1997.

And the trajectories of the nation’s first- and third-largest cities couldn’t be more divergent when it comes to crimefighting success. After recovering from sky-high rates during the 1990s crack epidemic, the past decade saw New York’s murders fall by nearly 40 percent, while Chicago’s largely remained steady before this year’s explosion.

Brooklyn College sociology professor Alex Vitale said at least part of the problem is geographic, noting that Chicago’s deadly violence is concentrated in the poorest and most racially segregated areas of its crime-ridden South and West sides.

“Something has come unglued in this very small number of neighborhoods,” he said. “The same kind of intense, armed conflict just hasn’t broken out here.”

Vitale pointed to structural differences between the cities.

“In New York, we have much smaller areas of really desperate poverty, and most of it’s tied to public housing,” Vitale said.

“In Chicago, you have whole swaths of the city that have basically been abandoned. There are no jobs, there’s no future, and that’s where the violence has been occurring,” he said.

Last year, Chicago cops solved 46 percent of open homicides, well below the national rate of 63 percent.

By comparison, New York’s clearance rate was nearly 68 percent, according to the NYPD.


A September report by the Chicago Tribune said cops had solved about 30 percent of open murders this year, but when old cases were taken out of the equation, the figure dropped to a dismal 21 percent.



^These horrible crime stats as well as other things like the high property taxes, poor public school system, segregation and ongoing corruption are why people are leaving the state of Illinois...a state that lost more people than any other state within the last year.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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The Art Gallery of Ontario (Toronto's largest art gallery) underwent a major renovation in 2008 with a new addition designed by... you guessed it -- Frank Gehry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Gallery_of_Ontario







Toronto Star article from earlier this year about Gehry contemplating moving back to Toronto:

https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...o-toronto.html
Well so I was wrong.They do have ONE.
ButIdont think everdid move back because earlier in the year,this was his plans:
http://la.curbed.com/2016/7/26/11965...-monica-venice

But seriously.Its not even an original Gehry design and its ONE.Still impressive I admit.

Last edited by Othello Is Here; 11-15-2016 at 06:00 PM..
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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Well so I was wrong.They do have ONE.
ButIdont think everdid move back because earlier in the year,this was his plans:
http://la.curbed.com/2016/7/26/11965...-monica-venice
Well Opera lives in California, as does Kanye West, and Barack Obama is in DC.

You tried to put Toronto down by implying there was no famous architect from there, got proven wrong with Frank Gehry,

Then you tried to put Toronto down by saying Gehry doesn't have a building in Toronto, got proven wrong with the ROM,

And now you're trying to dismiss Frank Gehry's Toronto connection by saying he lives in California.

hmmm

Originally you didn't know there was a famous architect from Toronto, and now you're digging yourself deeper because you don't want to admit you were wrong.

Looking forward to his supertall project in Toronto, should be epic.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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Well Opera lives in California, as does Kanye West, and Barack Obama is in DC.

You tried to put Toronto down by implying there was no famous architect from there, got proven wrong with Frank Gehry,

Then you tried to put Toronto down by saying Gehry doesn't have a building in Toronto, got proven wrong with the ROM,

And now you're trying to dismiss Frank Gehry's Toronto connection by saying he lives in California.

hmmm

Originally you didn't know there was a famous architect from Toronto, and now you're digging yourself deeper because you don't want to admit you were wrong.
It's simply backtracking. Just like when he asked for proof Toronto gets more int'l visitors than Chicago.
Proof was provided, and then he started doing the moonwalk.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:09 PM
 
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It's simply backtracking. Just like when he asked for proof Toronto gets more int'l visitors than Chicago.
Proof was provided, and then he started doing the moonwalk.
This is what makes these threads so entertaining. People don't know anything about Toronto, start bashing it based on things they think is true but isn't.

Then they get shocked when proven wrong.

Keep that popcorn chicken coming fellas.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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Well Opera lives in California, as does Kanye West, and Barack Obama is in DC.

You tried to put Toronto down by implying there was no famous architect from there, got proven wrong with Frank Gehry,

Then you tried to put Toronto down by saying Gehry doesn't have a building in Toronto, got proven wrong with the ROM,

And now you're trying to dismiss Frank Gehry's Toronto connection by saying he lives in California.

hmmm

Originally you didn't know there was a famous architect from Toronto, and now you're digging yourself deeper because you don't want to admit you were wrong.
Umm.Did I not say I was wrong?But im not wrong about architecture in Toronto not known outside of Toronto which was my point always.
So yes you can showboat how one minuscule statement was made and ignore all the substantive comments I have made that has everything to do with the topic of this thread which you guys glady have avoided for several pages.
And to be honest,Im doing you a favor for not listing all the wrong or just crazy weird things you have said.

Suprised u have not mentioned Drake again.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:15 PM
 
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Umm.Did I not say I was wrong?But im not wrong about architecture in Toronto not known outside of Toronto which was my point always.
So yes you can showboat how one minuscule statement was made and ignore all the substantive comments I have made that has everything to do with the topic of this thread which you guys glady have avoided for several pages.
And to be honest,Im doing you a favor for not listing all the wrong or just crazy weird things you have said.

Suprised u have not mentioned Drake again.
Honestly it's too difficult to make heads or tails from your posts, I just pick up on the things you're wrong about Toronto.
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Hey !!!Mr.Burns and mjun18:
Why wont you answer the question of the thread?
Quote:
Which is the most-powerful, culturally-significant, world-class city??
Montreal-16
Toronto-18
Chicago-66

What else needs to be said that not shown here
Am I wrong about what I see?
 
Old 11-15-2016, 06:20 PM
 
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Hey !!!Mr.Burns and mjun18:
Why wont you answer the question of the thread?


Montreal-16
Toronto-18
Chicago-66

What else needs to be said that not shown here
The fact that Montreal is 2 votes off Toronto discredits the whole thing

LOL
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