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No. I love Sydney, Miami, Melbourne, Tel-Aviv, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Barcelona, Brisbane, and Vancouver. That's roughly it.
I do like Toronto though. Awesome city but it is on the next peg down from the names above for me personally.
Well you do claim it in general. In any thread vs a US city not those on your above list. That means All but Miami and NYC. I merely go by all threads you created and feel it should have won. But I certainly won't continue a argument but by post you see it should have won. Your threads RARELY if ever include the top cities on your last you create unless a stats link that chooses cities for you. Of course only the world forum allows most of your favorite cities.
I merely go by all threads you created and feel it should have won.
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But I certainly won't continue a argument but by post you see it should have won.
On this topic I gave it a tie between San Francisco and Toronto:
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As for this thread, I am having a hard time deciding between San Francisco and Toronto, as they compare favorably overall but have strengths in different but equal aspects.
I think San Francisco's northeast quadrant of the city is a tough out for anywhere in the United States and Canada but the same can also be said for Old Toronto too.
I don't know, you could probably go five different ways with this topic. I'll go with a tie of San Francisco and Toronto since I don't yet know how to separate the two yet. They are very different but the kind of different that feels more equal than anything else really. Hard to choose between true peak hyper-densities and designated commercial corridors versus a well rounded classical style with an abundance of retail and amenities in nooks and nodes.
What impressed me the most about the list is that aside from New York, Toronto is the only other North American city with a district on the list.
Toronto's high density peaks are very high when compared to non-New York peers in Canada and the United States.
Other than New York, Toronto is the only city in the U.S. and Canada where you find huge clusters of hi-rise apartment towers (many hundreds of them) throughout all areas of the city -- not just in or near the core.
Think Co-op city in the Bronx or Thorncliffe Park in East York. Such developments really explain those density peaks.
Actually, many smaller Canadian cities also have hi-rise cluster throughout the city or metro area (such as Vancouver, Ottawa and many other smaller Ontario cities) -- but not on the scale and sheer numbers that you find in Toronto.
For me, personally, affordability is important. DC/BOS/SF are the 3 most expensive cities in the US barring parts of NYC. In my opinion, Center City and the surrounding neighborhoods provide a great big city lifestyle at an attainable price. I never get tired of looking at the contrast of pre-war buildings with the glass new ones. I think Philly should look to emulate some features of the other cities in this poll that have made them so successful beyond just cat cafes', ping pong bars, and a half dozen gin distillers.
A couple pictures I took today because I want to share
The neighborhoods of Center City have a variety of architecture.
A row of brownstones in rittenhouse I saw earlier this week.
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Other than New York, Toronto is the only city in the U.S. and Canada where you find huge clusters of hi-rise apartment towers (many hundreds of them) throughout all areas of the city -- not just in or near the core.
Although this won't be respected much by skyscraper lovers on C-D, Washington DC is probably the next in line with having as much for our cities standards "high rise" development outside of downtown core. There are multiple nodes outside of downtown where clusters of buildings reach the height limits of 14 stories etc. Capital Riverfront, SW Waterfront, NOMA etc. Of course the majority of posters here are not going to consider 14 stories "high rise" but technically it is.
Perhaps we can move away from vague measures like density and walk scores. I love density in a large city but it needs to be done right and spread evenly throughout the entire city, not just downtown and surrounding neighborhoods - this is a problem most North American cities face in the 21st century as we try to build more transit-oriented cities, because it's extremely costly to build and maintain cities that have high clusters of density separated by large swaths of suburbia, and North American cities today don't have the unlimited financial resources nor the natural resources to make further mistakes.
Perhaps we can move away from vague measures like density and walk scores. I love density in a large city but it needs to be done right and spread evenly throughout the entire city, not just downtown and surrounding neighborhoods - this is a problem most North American cities face in the 21st century as we try to build more transit-oriented cities, because it's extremely costly to build and maintain cities that have high clusters of density separated by large swaths of suburbia, and North American cities today don't have the unlimited financial resources nor the natural resources to make further mistakes.
Yes, and it'd be great for Boston to make a solid commitment in that vein by building the North-South Rail Link.
For me, personally, affordability is important. DC/BOS/SF are the 3 most expensive cities in the US barring parts of NYC. In my opinion, Center City and the surrounding neighborhoods provide a great big city lifestyle at an attainable price. I never get tired of looking at the contrast of pre-war buildings with the glass new ones. I think Philly should look to emulate some features of the other cities in this poll that have made them so successful beyond just cat cafes', ping pong bars, and a half dozen gin distillers.
A couple pictures I took today because I want to share
The neighborhoods of Center City have a variety of architecture.
A row of brownstones in rittenhouse I saw earlier this week.
As a comment accusing of a VAGUE DENSITY? Seems as to lessen American cities to ALL beneath Toronto in size, girth and how High (rise) its length in height gets up to. If trying to LESSEN Philly in particular (as this city has most discussion on last couple pages)? But ---- >Built housing density is another side of vague density
There is no denying Philly is one of the densest American cities on CONTINUOUS BUILT ENVIRONMENT. It not only has its attached housing continues in its Core. It has most of the city as tight attached row-housing.
So when you ACCUSE others of claiming VAGUE DENSITY? It is vague to ONLY GO BY POPULATION ALONE. But in BUILT ENVIRONMENT that merely did not go HIGH? Philly still can boast it has the BUILT DENSE ENVIRONMENT. This other city boosters can't deny.
I myself am not a fan of ALL overly tight attached housing and too narrow of streets. But when talking continuous such built? If that GETS YOU ARROUSED? Well Philly definitely has that in the bag.
* There are far more neighborhoods in Philly like OLD TORONTO BUILT then in Toronto. I see the Philly neighborhood in particular most like Old Toronto neighborhood? Is Philly's Oueen's Village.
Philly, as most US northern cities. Has had to restore from declines from its Core outward. But it has had the CONTINUOUS BUILT ATTACHED DENSITY ALL ALONG. Merely lost vibrancy in them needing to be restored and added infill where housing was lost.
Like I said.... I'm no fan of tight attached housing as Philly has in abundance. But I SURELY WILL DEFEND THE BUILT DENITY IT SURELY HAS IN DEFENSE AGAINST ACCUSING OF SOMETHING VAGUE being called density?
Vague is merely population of same areas. Modern high-rises in abundance alone? Does not mean street-level appears much more tightly built also. A Narrow Street-grid also plays a - key roll and continuous tightness of blocks count too.
Philly as all to common blocks like these. In neighborhoods north and south of its core for many miles.
In keeping with the previous poster's "old and new" theme, I've borrowed a few pics from the Toronto forum, thanks to the talented local photographers who have recently captured Toronto's summer urban scenery. Maybe I'm overstating the obvious, but if it were part of America, Toronto could easily be among the top three cities after NYC and Chicago, because its sheer scale and diversity of its many urban neighborhoods. But then again, perhaps it's a blessing that it's not in America, given the cesspool of a government that we have in DC at the moment.
Entertaiment District - a jungle of old and newly renovated lofts, theaters, night clubs - probably the noisiest and youngest part of the city featuring sharply contrasting forms of architecture. https://flic.kr/p/TXq8UW
Spadina Avenue - among the top 5 largest Chinatowns in North America, along with its own iconic 24-hr Streetcar line and 2-km long stretch of restaurants and eateries from every province in China (yes you could even find Tibetan eateries and Chinese Muslim street food here - they are deeeeliccciiiiiiious). https://flic.kr/p/UYZz4F
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