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Thanks for the word for word copy and paste from Wikipedia...
... however, none of the above actually answers my earlier questions, namely:
- how many DC Metro subway stations are located within its urban core (key difference between urban core and city boundary)?
- how many are located in outlying suburbs?
- how many of the 200 million+ ridership are trips within the urban core (primarily used by those traveling between urban neighborhoods)?
- how many of the 200 million+ ridership are trips between DC urban core and outlying suburbs (thus making its Metro more of a commuter rail (e.g. BART) and less of an urban subway system (e.g. NYC MTA Subway))
Since we are talking about transit systems, I've done some research on data from Toronto:
- There are 69 subway stations total in Toronto (with 28 new stations under construction)
- 19 of the above stations are located in Toronto's "downtown proper" (aka. everything south of Bloor Street and 3-4 on Bloor)
- 25-30 stations are located outside of downtown core, but along mid to high density commercial and residential areas within 3-5 miles of downtown
- 15-20 stations are located in suburban areas (mostly residential, quiet mid-density, surrounded by SFH neighborhoods)
By all means, Toronto has a grossly under developed subway system for a city of nearly 3 million, with not nearly enough stations serving its urban core areas (esp. the commercial corridors of King and Queen Streets). In terms of total station count, I also think DC metro is light years ahead of Toronto Transit Commission.
Are you trying to insinuate that DC's metro system doesn't serve its core? That's quite the weird argument. In fact it's quite the opposite. The DC metro system was structured so that all lines cut through the center of the system in DC. This has led to massive bottlenecks because to get from Maryland to Virginia (or vice-versa) you have to go through the city center.
Either that or you are trying to argue that Washington's system is somehow inferior because it also services inner suburbs. If so, that argument is ridiculous enough to warrant no response.
I'll assume the former: Here's the core of DC and all areas within a 0.5 mile radius of a metro station.
There isn't a single neighborhood or district in the core that isn't within a 10 minute walk of a metro station. And I was fairly generous in adding places like Dupont Circle, Logan Circle, Shaw, U Street and Noma to the core (which they really aren't). The only part of core DC that isn't near a metro station are the western memorials, which are a 15 minute walk from Arlington Cemetery since there aren't that many residents or businesses in the area. This area is also more effectively serviced by the DC Circulator, which costs $1 and runs every 10 minutes through all major sights: http://nationalmall.dccirculator.com/
I think sightseeing/tourism/recreation are being vastly ignored on this thread. Urbanity is not based on the number of cookie-cutter condos or kebab shops in a city, regardless of what some may say. Urbanity is the confluence of many, many people which creates talent-based economies of scale and allows for creating truly unique attractions and urban landscapes. Having tons of people is nice, sure. But Chongqing, China has tons of people too. I've been there. The entire cityscape is hills full of 60-story residentials. The city is massive. It's surely urban based on density. But it's lacking everything that a city should thrive on: arts, retail, museums, nightlife. What's the point of having 10 million people if it doesn't translate to a vibrant, unique, and interesting city?
Here are the number of popular sights in the urban core of each city. Popular is defined as having 1,000 or more TripAdvisor reviews. Urban core is defined as being within 5 miles of the city's downtown.
WASHINGTON (42)
#1 Sight: Lincoln Memorial 22,875 reviews
American Art Museum
Arlington National Cemetery
Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception
Capitol Hill
Ford's Theatre
Georgetown
International Spy Museum
Jefferson Memorial
Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
King Memorial
Korean War Veterans Memorial
Library of Congress
Lincoln Memorial
National Air and Space Museum
National Archives Museum
National Gallery of Art
National Mall
National Museum of African American History and Culture
National Museum of American History
National Museum of the American Indian
National Museum of Natural History
National Portrait Gallery
National World War II Memorial
National Zoological Park
Nationals Park
Newseum
Pentagon Memorial
The Phillips Collection
Roosevelt Memorial
Smithsonian Castle
Tidal Basin
Tomb of the Unknowns
Union Station
United States Botanic Garden
United States Capitol Building
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
United States Marine Corps War Memorial
United States Supreme Court Building
Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Washington Monument
Washington National Cathedral
The White House
SAN FRANCISCO (34)
#1 Sight: Alcatraz Island 41,248 reviews
Alamo Square
Alcatraz Island
Aquarium of the Bay
Asian Art Museum
AT&T Park
Cable Cars
Cable Car Museum
California Academy of Sciences
Chinatown
Coit Tower
Crissy Field
de Young Museum
Exploratorium
Ferry Building Marketplace
Fisherman's Wharf
Ghirardelli Square
Golden Gate Bridge
Golden Gate Park
Haight-Ashbury
Japanese Tea Garden
Lands End
Legion of Honor
Lombard Street
Musee Mecanique
Painted Ladies
Palace of Fine Arts
Pier 39
Presidio of San Francisco
San Francisco Bay
San Francisco Bay Bridge
San Francisco Museum of Modern Art
Twin Peaks
Union Square
Walt Disney Family Museum
BOSTON (27)
#1 Sight: Freedom Trail 12,575 reviews
Beacon Hill
Boston Common
Boston Public Garden
Boston Public Library
Boston Tea Party Ships & Museum
Bunker Hill Monument
Faneuil Hall Marketplace
Fenway Park
Freedom Trail
Granary Burying Ground
Harvard Square
Harvard University
Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum
Kennedy Presidential Museum & Library
Museum of Fine Arts
Museum of Science
New England Aquarium
New England Holocaust Memorial
Newbury Street
North End
Old North Church
Prudential Center
Quincy Market
Samuel Adams Brewery
USS Constitution
USS Constitution Museum
Waterfront
TORONTO (20)
#1 Sight: CN Tower 17,066 reviews
Air Canada Centre
Aquarium Of Canada
Art Gallery of Ontario
Casa Loma
Centre Island
CN Tower
Distillery Historic District
Eaton Centre
High Park
Hockey Hall of Fame
Kensington Market and Spadina Avenue
Ontario Science Centre
Rogers Centre
Royal Ontario Museum
Saint Lawrence Market
Steam Whistle Brewery
Toronto Islands
Toronto Zoo
University of Toronto
Yonge-Dundas Square
MINNEAPOLIS (5)
#1 Sight: Target Field 2,355 reviews
I think sightseeing/tourism/recreation are being vastly ignored on this thread. Urbanity is not based on the number of cookie-cutter condos or kebab shops in a city, regardless of what some may say. Urbanity is the confluence of many, many people which creates talent-based economies of scale and allows for creating truly unique attractions and urban landscapes. Having tons of people is nice, sure. But Chongqing, China has tons of people too. I've been there. The entire cityscape is hills full of 60-story residentials. The city is massive. It's surely urban based on density. But it's lacking everything that a city should thrive on: arts, retail, museums, nightlife. What's the point of having 10 million people if it doesn't translate to a vibrant, unique, and interesting city?
Here are the number of popular sights in the urban core of each city. Popular is defined as having 1,000 or more TripAdvisor reviews. Urban core is defined as being within 5 miles of the city's downtown.
WASHINGTON (42)
#1 Sight: Lincoln Memorial 22,875 reviews
American Art Museum
Arlington National Cemetery
Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception
Capitol Hill
Ford's Theatre
Georgetown
International Spy Museum
Jefferson Memorial
Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
King Memorial
Korean War Veterans Memorial
Library of Congress
Lincoln Memorial
National Air and Space Museum
National Archives Museum
National Gallery of Art
National Mall
National Museum of African American History and Culture
National Museum of American History
National Museum of the American Indian
National Museum of Natural History
National Portrait Gallery
National World War II Memorial
National Zoological Park
Nationals Park
Newseum
Pentagon Memorial
The Phillips Collection
Roosevelt Memorial
Smithsonian Castle
Tidal Basin
Tomb of the Unknowns
Union Station
United States Botanic Garden
United States Capitol Building
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
United States Marine Corps War Memorial
United States Supreme Court Building
Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Washington Monument
Washington National Cathedral
The White House
SAN FRANCISCO (34)
#1 Sight: Alcatraz Island 41,248 reviews
Alamo Square
Alcatraz Island
Aquarium of the Bay
Asian Art Museum
AT&T Park
Cable Cars
Cable Car Museum
California Academy of Sciences
Chinatown
Coit Tower
Crissy Field
de Young Museum
Exploratorium
Ferry Building Marketplace
Fisherman's Wharf
Ghirardelli Square
Golden Gate Bridge
Golden Gate Park
Haight-Ashbury
Japanese Tea Garden
Lands End
Legion of Honor
Lombard Street
Musee Mecanique
Painted Ladies
Palace of Fine Arts
Pier 39
Presidio of San Francisco
San Francisco Bay
San Francisco Bay Bridge
San Francisco Museum of Modern Art
Twin Peaks
Union Square
Walt Disney Family Museum
BOSTON (27)
#1 Sight: Freedom Trail 12,575 reviews
Beacon Hill
Boston Common
Boston Public Garden
Boston Public Library
Boston Tea Party Ships & Museum
Bunker Hill Monument
Faneuil Hall Marketplace
Fenway Park
Freedom Trail
Granary Burying Ground
Harvard Square
Harvard University
Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum
Kennedy Presidential Museum & Library
Museum of Fine Arts
Museum of Science
New England Aquarium
New England Holocaust Memorial
Newbury Street
North End
Old North Church
Prudential Center
Quincy Market
Samuel Adams Brewery
USS Constitution
USS Constitution Museum
Waterfront
TORONTO (20)
#1 Sight: CN Tower 17,066 reviews
Air Canada Centre
Aquarium Of Canada
Art Gallery of Ontario
Casa Loma
Centre Island
CN Tower
Distillery Historic District
Eaton Centre
High Park
Hockey Hall of Fame
Kensington Market and Spadina Avenue
Ontario Science Centre
Rogers Centre
Royal Ontario Museum
Saint Lawrence Market
Steam Whistle Brewery
Toronto Islands
Toronto Zoo
University of Toronto
Yonge-Dundas Square
MINNEAPOLIS (5)
#1 Sight: Target Field 2,355 reviews
Mill City Museum
Minneapolis Institute of Art
Minneapolis Sculpture Garden
Minnehaha Park
Target Field
Yes lets ignore the fact that all those "cookie cutter condos" bring a huge number of residents to the core, which ultimately drives shared street designs, businesses, and street-level vibrancy, and instead focus on attractions like Target Field, Freedom Trail, and Alcatraz as true metrics of what defines urbanity.
Funny thing is the CN Tower being the main landmark of Toronto's core, is the only top attraction here that is in any way urban.
what is urban core ? is cambridge/somerville considered urban core (they are top 20 densest cities according to the census).
i count 33 stations if i just include back bay, downtown crossing, north end, south end.
Last edited by stanley-88888888; 07-09-2017 at 03:19 PM..
Laughable. The only architectural diversity core Toronto has is between flammable and nonflammable cladding on their cookie cutter condos.
Toronto has both the historic buildings of DC and Boston, and the modern soaring skyscrapers that DC and Boston don't have.
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