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Old 08-02-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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There are declining industrial towns in Massachusetts, but not one person calls that the Rust Belt. Because the Rust Belt really only refers to the "Great Lakes" area.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/r...-close-up.html
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...ww.google.com/
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/cle...e-arts-culture

These are the headlines about a city with 37% Poverty and losing population. Tell me again how the media glosses over East Coast Cities problems?

I've read most of those articles, but those are the only few articles that have praised Cleveland. Most of the media and people still view Cleveland as ugly, not glamorous, broke, struggling, no jobs, population loss, no pop. over 500,000. While people view the East Coast cities as prominent, diverse, center of the universe, go-getters, multiple pro sports titles, population rising in droves, with all of the top universities and hipsters sprinkled in so they get huge. But, nobody ever talks about the East Coast cities' racism, issues with police brutality or school system problems plus it helps when you have most major media networks on the East Coast. I also think Sunbelt cities get their passes as well too.

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Old 08-02-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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What a ludicrous map.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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What a ludicrous map.
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't stand by it. I was just replying to a post where someone claimed "no one" would call those areas part of the (recovered) Rust Belt. Some people do.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Cities are only "in" the Rust Belt while they are perceived as struggling, eventually graduating out of it if they return to growth.

There was a time where not only Chicago, but Boston and even Seattle would have been considered to be Rust Belt. No longer of course.
You're misconstruing the word, Rustbelt is not synonymous with struggling (although uninformed individuals might think so) it just defines a certain region. Chicago to the northeast is pretty much all "rustbelt" because of their shared history.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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You're entitled to your opinion. I don't stand by it. I was just replying to a post where someone claimed "no one" would call those areas part of the (recovered) Rust Belt. Some people do.
It's not a matter of opinion, "recovered" rust belt on that map implies all those areas in the yellow are depressed or something when much of what is colored in the yellow encompasses some of the wealthiest places in the United States and some of the most educated cities.

And how is Baltimore considered "recovered" compared to Chicago? That's just all sorts of stupidity, moronity, media propaganda, etc.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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I've read most of those articles, but those are the only few articles that have praised Cleveland. Most of the media and people still view Cleveland as ugly, not glamorous, broke, struggling, no jobs, population loss, no pop. over 500,000. While people view the East Coast cities as prominent, diverse, center of the universe, go-getters, multiple pro sports titles, population rising in droves, with all of the top universities and hipsters sprinkled in so they get huge. But, nobody ever talks about the East Coast cities' racism, issues with police brutality or school system problems plus it helps when you have most major media networks on the East Coast. I also think Sunbelt cities get their passes as well too.
Northeast cities like Boston and New York don't get the same crap as other cities about their public schools because they are better. Boston has the best public schools of any large city in the nation, and Baltimore and Washington get plenty of press for their failing schools.

stories about "cool, hip" Boston
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/u...t-service.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...so-bad/317626/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/06/s...ympic-bid.html
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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True, but for most people perception is reality, or as I like to say THEIR perception is reality. Even though, Cleveland is having this rebirth mostly everybody still feels its a wasteland or a 3rd World Country. When Cleveland was selected for the RNC most of the media, especially the Beltway media, made snarky comments about going to Cleveland for the convention. A lot of them wished that Dallas was picked over Cleveland (pre-convention).

A lot of your Coast cities, Sunbelt cities or say a city like Chicago get passes based on perception. Also, the media shapes a lot views and perceptions of cities as well from CNN all the way to ESPN. So, those cities flaws are glossed over because of tourists attractions, nightlife, beaches, famous people, etc. You'll never see those cities on "The Worst In Anything" list. On the flip side, Cleveland can't even escape a doggone YouTube video from 8 years ago, sports failures or the river catching on fire. Also, other Rust Belt cities can't escape they're past except for Pittsburgh, nobody calls them a 3rd World Country. But, Rust Belt cities are on everybody's "Worst In Anything" list.
I never knew people got that mad over where somebody choose to held an event. And why Dallas over Cleveland? no offense to Dallas but what's the difference that they wanted it to be held in Dallas so bad?

And this just goes to show the media are the coastal cities best friend and the Midwest cities worst enemy. It's a little better now but back around the great recession I said all the time that I wish the media would s.t.f.u about problems in Midwest cities and stay in their perfect little world on the coast. Because as concerned as they pretend to be, they don't do shlt to help.
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Old 08-02-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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I never knew people got that mad over where somebody choose to held an event. And why Dallas over Cleveland? no offense to Dallas but what's the difference that they wanted it to be held in Dallas so bad?

And this just goes to show the media are the coastal cities best friend and the Midwest cities worst enemy. It's a little better now but back around the great recession I said all the time that I wish the media would s.t.f.u about problems in Midwest cities and stay in their perfect little world on the coast. Because as concerned as they pretend to be, they don't do shlt to help.

In my opinion, they preferred Dallas over Cleveland because it's more bigger city, widely-known plus it's Texas. You know what they say everything's bigger in Texas. Some even said they wished that Philly and Austin (who didn't have the amenities that Cleveland had for the RNC) instead of Cleveland. Most of the media are from Coastal cities or Chicago and a lot of them have biases for their cities so nothing is never good enough for them because it isn't their city. The media a lot of times is the Coast and the Sunbelt's friend and the Midwest's enemy so those cities never have their flaws on full display; those cities get more cover than I've ever seen.

But, I also have to say after the RNC a lot of people's perceptions changed about Cleveland. Most of them feared that it was going to be violence and chaos. But, a lot of them praised the people, the law enforcement and the food. And, most of them admitted that they had perceived Cleveland on preconceived notions due to hearsay (i.e. family, friends, stand-up comics) and ironically, the media, and most of them hadn't even been to Cleveland prior to coming for the RNC. So, how do you make judgments on a place you never been to?

Here's the link about the DC media's comments about Cleveland: http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-roo...ark-from-media

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Old 08-02-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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You can put up a map with colors on it if you want, but it's ridiculous. Do you know what a "belt" is?

NOBODY is talking about New England when they use the term "Rust Belt."

Be dense if you want. But you know it's true. Give me a break.
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