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Nearly all of them. DC's suburban development is metro nodal. Basically you have a ton of development surrounding a metro station and then when you go out a mile, it becomes more 'suburban' in look.
In DC, either a metro station is built and tons of development follows (see Arlington in the 1970s) or tons of development creates the need for a metro station (like Tysons)
But metro stations and urbanity are closely intertwined.
There are places like Falls Church to Alexandria via Seven Corners and Bailey's Crossroads which have tons of highrises but lack metro stations. So, if anything, there is still room for metro growth.
This is why DC's suburbs can sustain such high densities. They usually have very dense cores (like a traditional city) with suburban features mixed in. It's what makes them less 'bedroomy' than those in Boston.
Skyscrapers, high-rises and TOD do not equal urbanity. Asia is filled with vertical suburbs. If I dropped a pin on a random street in any of these second-ring DC suburbs, there’s about a 30% chance the street view will feature a sidewalk.
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Skyscrapers, high-rises and TOD do not equal urbanity. Asia is filled with vertical suburbs. If I dropped a pin on a random street in any of these second-ring DC suburbs, there’s about a 30% chance the street view will feature a sidewalk.
False.
We are talking about the suburban nodes here. Rockville, Reston, Wheaton, Springfield, Tysons, etc are each second ring suburbs outside the beltway. All of them have sidewalks, what are you talking about?
We are talking about the suburban nodes here. Rockville, Reston, Wheaton, Springfield, Tysons, etc are each second ring suburbs outside the beltway. All of them have sidewalks, what are you talking about?
I don’t know Springfield or Wheaton, but Rockville and Reston have very few sidewalks outside of commercial corridors. Tyson’s is basically a series of office parks ringed by six-lane roads.
Edit: this is Rockville’s prioritized map of missing sidewalks:
Many of Boston's suburbs feel like an extension of the city, just slightly less dense and urban. Most of DC's suburbs feel like typical American suburbs, albeit with a lot of TOD and some shiny CBD clusters. I think Boston runs away with this.
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I don’t know Springfield or Wheaton, but Rockville and Reston have very few sidewalks outside of commercial corridors. Tyson’s is basically a series of office parks ringed by six-lane roads.
Edit: this is Rockville’s prioritized map of missing sidewalks:
Find me a place in Tysons without sidewalks. Rockville has no missing sidewalks in its urban core. Places like Rockville and newly named 'North Bethesda' are either on or being designated new street grids if they didn't have one. Rockville has metro stops to begin with how could it exist without sidewalks?
Many of Boston's suburbs feel like an extension of the city, just slightly less dense and urban. Most of DC's suburbs feel like typical American suburbs, albeit with a lot of TOD and some shiny CBD clusters. I think Boston runs away with this.
Tysons Corner has more office space than some cities.
Find me a place in Tysons without sidewalks. Rockville has no missing sidewalks in its urban core. Places like Rockville and newly named 'North Bethesda' are either on or being designated new street grids if they didn't have one. Rockville has metro stops to begin with how could it exist without sidewalks?
Manitopiaaa is right, DC's suburban nodes simply hold more people than Boston's outside of Somerville, Cambridge, which really might as well be extensions or "boroughs" of the city. Not only are DC's nodes dense now WITH sidewalks, their potential is that much greater and so much more is on the horizon regarding development and TOD around the metro area it's really insane.
Just go to https://dc.urbanturf.com and take a look at the pipeline link, for only a taste of how much more density is on the horizon in the city and suburbs.
Manitopiaa is simply ignoring cities that don't fit his narrative. He is saying D.C. Wins if you exclude Cambridge, Lowell, Somerville, Brookline, Chelsea, Winthrop, Lawrence and Everett. Which together have about 530,000 people and are collectively denser than D.C.
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