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Yes, I noticed that too. Both Toronto and Vancouver seem to be pretty popular in Europe.
It isn't European travelers, it's non-domestic travelers.
Canada would naturally have higher proportional non-Canadian vistitors. It's next to the U.S. and has a higher proportion of immigrants, which obviously generates more family visits.
And keep in mind its visitors, not tourists. It doesn't say anything really about tourist popularity or leisure visitors.
Starting at Page 80. These are for the North American cities that made it into the world's Top 100 overseas tourist destinations for the most current year (Summer 2016 to Summer 2017) that this information is available for.
'Overseas' is extremely misleading. In fact, the link never mentions overseas.
In fact, here's the exact definition of arrivals:
Arrivals refers to international tourists, i.e. any
person visiting another country for at least 24
hours, for a period not exceeding 12 months, and
staying in collective or private accommodation.
Each arrival is counted separately and includes
people travelling more than once a year and
people visiting several countries during one
holiday. Domestic visitors are excluded. This
encompasses all purposes of visit, such as
business, leisure and visiting friends and relatives.
A huge chunk of those Mexican and Canadian figures are American travelers.
American cities, meanwhile, have to rely on European and Asian travel more since they can't supplement their numbers much with Canadians and Mexicans. So Canadian and Mexican cities are inflated and American cities (who mostly rely on American tourists) look weaker than they generally are.
Is this list truly "over seas" or is it merely international?
It's international. I hope Facts Kill Rhetoric didn't conveniently choose 'overseas' so he could circlejerk with the Canadians over their wildly inflated numbers (it's not the first time this has conveniently happened).
It's international. I hope Facts Kill Rhetoric didn't conveniently choose 'overseas' so he could circlejerk with the Canadians over their wildly inflated numbers (it's not the first time this has conveniently happened).
I've wondered how they measure it for places in Europe - if you're looking at Paris, does it include people from Germany for example? Like Paris and Berlin are only 650 miles apart, which is nearly the distance between San Francisco and Portland. Or the distance from London to Istanbul is actually shorter than going from LA to Chicago in distance.
Let that one sink in for a bit when looking at some of the numbers in other countries.
In London, people go to Paris for the weekend, and vice versa. They go to the south of France and Spain like Americans go to Vegas and Florida. It's very different from most of the US.
US and Canada pairings (say Seattle-Vancouver) have a similar dynamic but I don't think it's as close. Schools don't send busloads of kids for overnights.
In London, people go to Paris for the weekend, and vice versa. They go to the south of France and Spain like Americans go to Vegas and Florida. It's very different from most of the US.
US and Canada pairings (say Seattle-Vancouver) have a similar dynamic but I don't think it's as close. Schools don't send busloads of kids for overnights.
London and Paris are pretty close, at 215 miles. That is nearly identical as the distance from Boston to NYC or DC to NYC. Tons of people in the US travel those types of distances for weekend trips within the US all the time. There are tons of people who do weekend trips between those two sets of cities I just mentioned pretty much every weekend. Just imagine if in NYC you started counting all the visitors from DC or Boston areas, or you started counting all the LA weekenders to Vegas in the Vegas numbers.
Paris and London have huge tourism counts, and they appear anecdotally to be from all over the globe. Their air connections show this as well. But their stats are certainly affected by having huge populations a day-trip away.
Once on a London visit (actually Tunbridge Wells) visit I took the train to Brussels, walked around for seven hours, got the train back, and was back to TW by mid-evening.
^ Yes. Point being that I think it's kind of unfair to compare European numbers to things like North American numbers considering someone traveling from Romania to Ukraine is considered "international" yet someone traveling from I don't know...Minneapolis to Chicago, which is the same distance, really isn't. You could travel 3100 miles from Seattle to Miami and just be counted as domestic, yet that's very similar in distance from London to Tehran, Iran.
I've wondered how they measure it for places in Europe - if you're looking at Paris, does it include people from Germany for example? Like Paris and Berlin are only 650 miles apart, which is nearly the distance between San Francisco and Portland. Or the distance from London to Istanbul is actually shorter than going from LA to Chicago in distance.
Let that one sink in for a bit when looking at some of the numbers in other countries.
Yes, a German visitor to Paris is +1 for Paris.
That's why Hong Kong is #1, Macau is #5, Shenzhen is #9 and Guangzhou is #17. Shenzhen and Guangzhou visitors to Hong Kong add +1 for Hong Kong, Hong Kong visitors to Macau add +1 there and Macau visitors to Guangzhou add +1 there. It doesn't matter that those 4 cities are all in the same urban agglomeration. Their super high numbers are because there's a lot of cross-border visitation in the area.
American cities can't really compete on this measure. Somebody flying from Miami to Seattle (2,700 miles) adds +0 to Seattle, but someone travelling from Brussels to Amsterdam (100 miles) adds +1 to Amsterdam.
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