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Wow, I wonder what they're doing behind the scenes to help with the drop?
Well, you have to realize that 2016 had a massive increase from the years previous. 2017 started out that way but the last 3 or 4 months of the year decreased a bit and it's continued into this year. It's more of a correction, though so far it's above what something like 2015, 2014, 2013, etc were.
The current totals through March are on par or slightly lower with what the city was every year through March from 2001 to 2004. Of course, what you don't hear on the media because they're too lazy to even do this check, is that almost all of the population loss of Chicago between 2000 and 2010 actually happened between 2000 and 2004. The population since 2005 according to the US Census has been stagnant overall NOT since 2010. Interestingly enough, the number of people employed in the city right now is about the same as it was in the early 2000s when the population was apparently 200K more. Don't be surprised to see in a few years that the estimates right now are slightly low.
Anyway, the average number of homicides per year in the city from 2005 to 2015 (11 years) was 461. 2016 finished with 780 - over 300 above the average. 2017 finished with 671. Now in 2018 at this rate, it's going to maybe finish between 450 and 515 which is much more in line with the average. It's correcting down to the average it was for over a decade before 2016's crazy rise.
Last edited by marothisu; 04-07-2018 at 02:35 PM..
Well, you have to realize that 2016 had a massive increase from the years previous. 2017 started out that way but the last 3 or 4 months of the year decreased a bit and it's continued into this year. It's more of a correction, though so far it's above what something like 2015, 2014, 2013, etc were.
The current totals through March are on par or slightly lower with what the city was every year through March from 2001 to 2004. Of course, what you don't hear on the media because they're too lazy to even do this check, is that almost all of the population loss of Chicago between 2000 and 2010 actually happened between 2000 and 2004. The population since 2005 according to the US Census has been stagnant overall NOT since 2010. Interestingly enough, the number of people employed in the city right now is about the same as it was in the early 2000s when the population was apparently 200K more. Don't be surprised to see in a few years that the estimates right now are slightly low.
Anyway, the average number of homicides per year in the city from 2005 to 2015 (11 years) was 461. 2016 finished with 780 - over 300 above the average. 2017 finished with 671. Now in 2018 at this rate, it's going to maybe finish between 450 and 515 which is much more in line with the average. It's correcting down to the average it was for over a decade before 2016's crazy rise.
Honestly it seems like a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's still around 30 degrees fahrenheit on the daily here. The thugs and gangbangers stay indoors and do minimal killing when its cold out.
This is probably the longest winter of my life, and it's freaking spring.
You're not wrong, the past week here has been record cold, and the past March has been very very very cold too. Keeps a lot of the gangbangers inside
Well, you have to realize that 2016 had a massive increase from the years previous. 2017 started out that way but the last 3 or 4 months of the year decreased a bit and it's continued into this year. It's more of a correction, though so far it's above what something like 2015, 2014, 2013, etc were.
The current totals through March are on par or slightly lower with what the city was every year through March from 2001 to 2004. Of course, what you don't hear on the media because they're too lazy to even do this check, is that almost all of the population loss of Chicago between 2000 and 2010 actually happened between 2000 and 2004. The population since 2005 according to the US Census has been stagnant overall NOT since 2010. Interestingly enough, the number of people employed in the city right now is about the same as it was in the early 2000s when the population was apparently 200K more. Don't be surprised to see in a few years that the estimates right now are slightly low.
Anyway, the average number of homicides per year in the city from 2005 to 2015 (11 years) was 461. 2016 finished with 780 - over 300 above the average. 2017 finished with 671. Now in 2018 at this rate, it's going to maybe finish between 450 and 515 which is much more in line with the average. It's correcting down to the average it was for over a decade before 2016's crazy rise.
You really do a lot of research to rationalize a murder rate that is just unacceptable. Whether the improvement is coincidental or from a change in policies it’s still way too high. 2001 was too high 2016 was too high and 2018 is too high. That’s 20 years to figure your s**t out.
You really do a lot of research to rationalize a murder rate that is just unacceptable. Whether the improvement is coincidental or from a change in policies it’s still way too high. 2001 was too high 2016 was too high and 2018 is too high. That’s 20 years to figure your s**t out.
1) I'm not rationalizing anything. Do you know the difference between analysis and rationalization? I don't think you do one bit. Yes, the rate is too high. Nobody said otherwise. Just because I"m explaining that things are going back to normal doesn't mean I don't think that the number is high. These aren't mutually exclusive things.
If someone in sports is going through a really bad slump, but they've been a fairly average player otherwise, pointing out when it looks like they're coming out of a slump doesn't mean you think they're all of a sudden great unless you specifically mention it. Stop putting words in my damn mouth. You completely failed at comprehending what I was actually saying and then implied something that wasn't even there.
2) You also completely missed another point. The point is that at the rate 2018 is going, the city will fall back into its "normalcy" that was between 2005 and 2015, which is QUITE a bit lower than 2001 and 2016. Yes it's too high still, but it's a big ****ing piece of progress in a short period of time from when things spun out of control.
NYC 62
LA 61
Chicago 117
Philly 77
Baltimore 66
Detroit 56
Denver 21
Miami 11
Indianapolis 35
Saint Louis 45
Dallas 32
Las Vegas Metro 52
Houston 52
Washington DC 34
Nashville Metro 24
Memphis 26
Louisville Metro 27
Minneapolis 14
Milwaukee 22
Boston Mass 14
San Diego 10
Tulsa, Oklahoma 10
Tucson, Arizona 18
Raleigh, NC 8
Little Rock, Arkansas 14
Fort Worth, Texas 14
Flint, Michigan 10
San Francisco 11
Kansas City, MO 29
Jackson, Mississippi 24
Charlotte, NC 12
Toledo, Ohio 15
Bakersfield, CA 12
Cleveland, Ohio 25
Jacksonville Florida 29
Gary, Indiana 18
Des Moines, Iowa 3
Birmingham, Alabama 29
Albuquerque, New Mexico 19
Cincinnati, Ohio 18
San Jose 7
Portland, Oregon 6
Salt Lake City, Utah 3
Oklahoma City 15
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 29
Richmond, VA 9
Madison, WI 1
Macon, GA 10
Long Beach, CA 7
Compton, CA 4
Tampa, Florida 10
Orlando 13
Arlington, Texas 4
Akron, Ohio 9
East Saint Louis 4
Mobile, Alabama 11
Sacramento, CA 12
St Petersburg Florida 6
Shreveport, Louisiana 5
Lexington, KY 10
Spokane, Washington 3
Columbus, Georgia 11
Peoria, Illinois 2
Rockford, Illinois 8
Hilton Head Island, SC 1
Homestead Florida 2
Brockton, MA 4
Fayetteville, North Carolina 4
Dayton, Ohio 3
Henderson, NC 7----due to staffing cuts city saw huge spike in murders it calling for help from state city population is 15,000+
Tallahassee, Florida 2
Durham, NC 3
Buffalo, NY 5
Syracuse, NY 2
Rochester, NY 5
Poughkeepsie, NY 1
Utica, NY 2
New Rochelle, NY 1
Yonkers, NY 1
Mount Vernon, NY 1
Binghamton, NY 1
Niagara Falls, NY 1
Valley Stream, NY 1
New Jersey
Newark, NJ 19
Camden, NJ 6
Trenton, NJ 5
Irvington, New Jersey 2
Salem City, New Jersey 1
Camden, New Jersey 6
Jersey City, New Jersey 3
Trenton, New Jersey 5
Asbury Park, New Jersey 1
Orange, New Jersey 2
Pleasantville NJ 2
Paterson NJ 1
PA/Delaware
Pittsburgh, PA 19
Wilkinsburg, PA 2
Chester, PA 5
Wilmington, DE 6
Coatesville, PA 1
McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania 2
York, Pennsylvania 1
Reading, PA 5---4 killed in one indent
Harrisburg, PA 2
Allentown, PA 4
Wilkes-Barre, PA 1
Mckeesport, PA 1
Norristown, PA 2
New Castle, PA 2
Coatesville, PA 2
Duquesne, PA 1
New England
Hartford, CT 5
Bridgeport, CT 4
Brockton, MA 4
Lowell, MA 3
Providence, RI 3
Bangor, Maine 3
New Haven, CT 2
Springfield, MA 2
Waterbury, CT 2
Central Falls, RI 1
New Bedford, MA 1
Fall River, MA 1
Portland, Maine 1
Warwick, Rhode Island 1
New London, CT 1
good grief, virtually every single city in the country will be high compared to NYC, it's exceptionally low. I wouldn't compare things to that city regarding homicide rates in 2018.
NYC 62
LA 61
Chicago 117
Philly 77
Baltimore 66
Detroit 56
Denver 21
Miami 11
Indianapolis 35
Saint Louis 45
Dallas 32
Las Vegas Metro 52
Houston 52
Washington DC 34
Nashville Metro 24
Memphis 26
Louisville Metro 27
Minneapolis 14
Milwaukee 22
Boston Mass 14
San Diego 10
Tulsa, Oklahoma 10
Tucson, Arizona 18
Raleigh, NC 8
Little Rock, Arkansas 14
Fort Worth, Texas 14
Flint, Michigan 10
San Francisco 11
Kansas City, MO 29
Jackson, Mississippi 24
Charlotte, NC 12
Toledo, Ohio 15
Bakersfield, CA 12
Cleveland, Ohio 25
Jacksonville Florida 29
Gary, Indiana 18
Des Moines, Iowa 3
Birmingham, Alabama 29
Albuquerque, New Mexico 19
Cincinnati, Ohio 18
San Jose 7
Portland, Oregon 6
Salt Lake City, Utah 3
Oklahoma City 15
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 29
Richmond, VA 9
Madison, WI 1
Macon, GA 10
Long Beach, CA 7
Compton, CA 4
Tampa, Florida 10
Orlando 13
Arlington, Texas 4
Akron, Ohio 9
East Saint Louis 4
Mobile, Alabama 11
Sacramento, CA 12
St Petersburg Florida 6
Shreveport, Louisiana 5
Lexington, KY 10
Spokane, Washington 3
Columbus, Georgia 11
Peoria, Illinois 2
Rockford, Illinois 8
Hilton Head Island, SC 1
Homestead Florida 2
Brockton, MA 4
Fayetteville, North Carolina 4
Dayton, Ohio 3
Henderson, NC 7----due to staffing cuts city saw huge spike in murders it calling for help from state city population is 15,000+
Tallahassee, Florida 2
Durham, NC 3
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