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Old 07-23-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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I disagree that Chicago’s homicides are concentrated to a small square mileage of the city
Around 75% of the murders happen in neighborhoods with around 25% of the city's population. It's fairly stark, and "most" of the city has a relatively low murder rate. My neighborhood of 100,000 people went multiple years without a homicide, in any given year it might see one.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Around 75% of the murders happen in neighborhoods with around 25% of the city's population. It's fairly stark, and "most" of the city has a relatively low murder rate. My neighborhood of 100,000 people went multiple years without a homicide, in any given year it might see one.
And the 25% of murders that you are leaving out doesn’t happen to be an insignificant number. I’d say there is a large percent of Chicago’s square mileage mileage that is unacceptably crime ridden- maybe 40%
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Old 07-23-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn the best borough in NYC!
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And the 25% of murders that you are leaving out doesn’t happen to be an insignificant number. I’d say there is a large percent of Chicago’s square mileage mileage that is unacceptably crime ridden- maybe 40%
Isn’t there a colored map somewhere that shows the actual land mass of Chicago that’s in the red?
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Has anybody posited a theory that American culture (specifically gun culture) has infiltrated Toronto and become popular there?

Everybody knows America is one of the most dangerous "developed" or "civilized" nations. And everyone knows gun culture is huge here, across racial and socioeconomic divides. Guns are so ingrained in American lore, maybe that influence has started to take hold north of the border?
Nope.
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Maine
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A dozen of Toronto's homicides are from the van attack in April and this recent mass shooting. Toronto would have about 40 homicides excluding these two incidents.
40 homicides more than halfway through the year. It would finish with less homicides than it did during the "Year of the Gun" in 2005 with 79/80 homicides and it still may finish below that even with the van attack.

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Old 07-23-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: NYC, VA, JP
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"Canada isn't a utopian society free of guns and violence? Must be America's fault."

Sheesh...
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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A dozen of Toronto's homicides are from the van attack in April and this recent mass shooting. Toronto would have about 40 homicides excluding these two incidents.
40 homicides more than halfway through the year. It would finish with less homicides than it did during the "Year of the Gun" in 2005 with 79/80 homicides and it still may finish below that even with the van attack.
I wish that were so but it sounds like you're minimizing what is a somewhat abnormal and concerning situation for a Canadian city - even a fairly large one.


The Greater Toronto area (city proper plus suburbs) has over 90 murders so far this year for about 6 million people.


The Greater Montreal area (city proper plus suburbs) has I believe under 20 (19?) murders so far in 2018 for about 4 million people.
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:25 PM
 
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^ The GTA is more like 6.7-6.8 million people now which lowers the rate a bit, (not by much).

The city of Toronto is at 58 now after last night's shooting and a fatal stabbing a few days previously.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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And the 25% of murders that you are leaving out doesn’t happen to be an insignificant number. I’d say there is a large percent of Chicago’s square mileage mileage that is unacceptably crime ridden- maybe 40%
It's roughly 160 murders last year for around 2,000,000 people if you take out those worst of the worst areas. It might realistically be lower than that, the 75%/25% was fairly consistent during the 2000's to mid 2010's. The huge spikes in 2016 and 2017 almost entirely impacted the bad areas on the south and west side as far as a surge in murders.

You're right on it being a large square mileage. It's a larger area, but it's just the least populated. So a huge number of people live in the safe more dense traditional/older areas along the lakefront, northwest side and then also the huge bungalow belt on the northwest and southwest side. Lower crime in the bungalow belt as well, but lower population density of around 20,000 per square mile vs 30,000 for the more premier northern areas. The really bad areas on the south side have around 10,000 per square mile.

Then there's a large industrial tracts to the south and southwest, O'hare is huge and the area around Wolf Lake are massive but totally vacant of any housing.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:59 PM
 
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I would like to add my grain of salt for Miami-Dade... You have to take into account that Florida has some twisted law that would classified what would be classified as an homicide anywhere being classed as justifiable in Florida... So for Miami, you will have to add all the justifiable homicides in the list since you can kill someone who just touched you, claim self defense (stand your ground) and walk free and this being listed as a justifiable homicide).
The number of "Justifiable homicide" in Florida has skyrocked since the enactment of that law and as more people hear about it, more are claiming it.
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