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--New York's 80s murder rate was it's peak high era, with a decade average rate of 23.41 per 100,000. For the 2010s to date, New York thru 2016 has a decade average rate of 4.82 per 100,000...
--LA's murder rate peaked in the 90s with a decade rate of 26.47 per 100,000. In the '10s, LA is sitting with 7.31 per 100,000 so far...
--Miami peaked in the 80s with a decade murder rate of 42.96 per 100,000. Today thru '16, it's decade rate is 16.35/100k...
--DC had the most violent recorded decade in US history, with a 90s decade rate of 67.33 per 100,000. Today DC is at 18.51/100k...
New York has had the greatest turnaround from a violence and murder point of view...
For infrastructure, it's hard not to say LA, at least amongst major cities (4-million plus)...
New York City is the clear winner here. During the 1970s The Bronx and Harlem had ghettos that made America look like a third world country on TV. It was so bad that looking at the old pictures I can’t tell where anything is, using today’s current infrastructure in the city.
Crime is at a all time low as well. The city is healthy, cleaner and truly walkable.
My dad will tell you that during the 80s, there was no walking around in the neighborhoods he did taxi in.
NYC peaked in the late-90s and early 00s. Crime was down, hypergentrification hadn't gone into effect, the subway was functional and it still felt like NYC.
Interesting to hear you say that this was the peak, seeing how 9/11 was during this time. I’ve always thought of that as one of the worst times here. Not just 9/11 itself, but the few years after that were kinda scary and just weird. I don’t typically look back at that time fondly. I also hated seeing Downtown Manhattan completely in ruins and even after it was cleaned up it just felt so empty, up until very recently. It was so awful looking at the skyline and seeing the emptiness where the Twins used to be.
But from a costs POV I can see what you’re saying
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--New York's 80s murder rate was it's peak high era, with a decade average rate of 23.41 per 100,000. For the 2010s to date, New York thru 2016 has a decade average rate of 4.82 per 100,000...
--LA's murder rate peaked in the 90s with a decade rate of 26.47 per 100,000. In the '10s, LA is sitting with 7.31 per 100,000 so far...
--Miami peaked in the 80s with a decade murder rate of 42.96 per 100,000. Today thru '16, it's decade rate is 16.35/100k...
--DC had the most violent recorded decade in US history, with a 90s decade rate of 67.33 per 100,000. Today DC is at 18.51/100k...
New York has had the greatest turnaround from a violence and murder point of view...
For infrastructure, it's hard not to say LA, at least amongst major cities (4-million plus)...
Are those city rates or metro rates? I ask because in the cases of Miami and DC, the cities (area) are tiny. In the case of NY and LA, the cities are huge.
Are those city rates or metro rates? I ask because in the cases of Miami and DC, the cities (area) are tiny. In the case of NY and LA, the cities are huge.
City rates, I'll try to find the metros later. I'm a little weird when it comes to crime rates in that I prefer the city metric, because I have no interest in living in a suburb. If I'm going to live in a city, I want to live IN the city! Lol...
--New York's 80s murder rate was it's peak high era, with a decade average rate of 23.41 per 100,000. For the 2010s to date, New York thru 2016 has a decade average rate of 4.82 per 100,000...
--LA's murder rate peaked in the 90s with a decade rate of 26.47 per 100,000. In the '10s, LA is sitting with 7.31 per 100,000 so far...
--Miami peaked in the 80s with a decade murder rate of 42.96 per 100,000. Today thru '16, it's decade rate is 16.35/100k...
--DC had the most violent recorded decade in US history, with a 90s decade rate of 67.33 per 100,000. Today DC is at 18.51/100k...
New York has had the greatest turnaround from a violence and murder point of view...
For infrastructure, it's hard not to say LA, at least amongst major cities (4-million plus)...
I can live with 18.51 per 100,000. If you lived through the eighties and nineties 18.51 per 100,000 is a breath of fresh air.
City rates, I'll try to find the metros later. I'm a little weird when it comes to crime rates in that I prefer the city metric, because I have no interest in living in a suburb. If I'm going to live in a city, I want to live IN the city! Lol...
I'm with you there but there's a ton of "suburb" within LA's city limits, and even NYC includes Staten Island. DC's and Miami's limits also have suburbs, but their small footprints put much more of their metro population outside their city limits.
Thanks for the data though. It's nice to see American cities become measurably safer.
It's too bad I missed that NYC, it's never coming back.
I must be missing something unless this is purely about cost of living. When I look back at photos of NYC in the late 90s or in 2000, especially photos with the Twins in them, I get a very eerie, bone-chilling feeling. Like something terrible is about to happen and everybody is so unsuspecting and oblivious. The 90s were definitely simpler times, but the early 2000s were some pretty dark times and I’m very glad we moved on from that. I never want to go back to the early 2000s. Lower Manhattan has made quite a comeback, although very recently. I think it’s better now than pre-9/11 or ever before. Of course this is just my take on it though and we all come from different ages and backgrounds, and have different perspectives on things.
On a separate note, gentrification has been happening long before today’s times, we just didn’t call it that. In the 1990s, crime in NY certainly had come down from the 70s and 80s, but today crime has come down to historic lows, as other posters had already mentioned.
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer
In 2017, New York City had a lower homicide rate than Seattle.
I think that speaks for itself.
Like this ^^^^^ which is crazy even to me. I never could have seen this coming from the 1990s
Interesting to hear you say that this was the peak, seeing how 9/11 was during this time. I’ve always thought of that as one of the worst times here. Not just 9/11 itself, but the few years after that were kinda scary and just weird. I don’t typically look back at that time fondly. I also hated seeing Downtown Manhattan completely in ruins and even after it was cleaned up it just felt so empty, up until very recently. It was so awful looking at the skyline and seeing the emptiness where the Twins used to be.
But from a costs POV I can see what you’re saying
I was going to say the same thing, how can 2001 and 2002 possibly be peak years with 9/11 being a thing.
I was young then, but I do remember it being a weird and scary time like you said. And like you said, I'm glad we're now removed from that.
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