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Is the rank of your metro a source of joy for you?
Not particularly, though I do enjoy seeing robust growth. I was responding to the hemming and hawwing from a couple Philly posters arguing that Atlanta isn't really comparable to Philly because of whatever reasons. It came off as try-hard. We all know Philly is awesome. Why try to mitigate the boom of another city to make yourself feel better about your own?
I was responding to the hemming and hawwing from a couple Philly posters arguing that Atlanta isn't really comparable to Philly because of whatever reasons. It came off as try-hard.
Oh okay, I must of missed that. Will you reference post numbers?
I made the most recent comment about Philly and Atlanta. Definitely no grief on my part...at least not for Philly. I went to the East coast for the first time in my life last year. Went to NY and Philly. I have been to Atlanta several times.
Metaphorically. "I knew Jack Kennedy. Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy". Kennedy being Philly and the Senator being Atlanta, so to speak. Sorry Atlanta....that is just true. In a 5, 10, 20, 50, 75 mile radius.....in no way does Atlanta match Philly. I was shocked at how dense and built up that area is. Reminds me more of Chicago (without all the tall buildings) than Atlanta.
Okay, by the measure of the census data, which is what this thread is all about, Atlanta and Philadelphia MSAs are now roughly the same size. On that measure, objectively they match. Development patterns are certainly different. But preferences for the built environment are subjective.
Okay, by the measure of the census data, which is what this thread is all about, Atlanta and Philadelphia MSAs are now roughly the same size. On that measure, objectively they match. Development patterns are certainly different. But preferences for the built environment are subjective.
Yes....you are correct and I am not disputing that. What I am saying is that if you have never been to Atlanta and have never been to Philly and you read MSA data showing Atlanta (in the near future) being more populated than Philly.....you would probably discredit the metrics after visiting both places.
It's like being a better football team.....on paper, than the team you are playing but the other team beats you badly. We do not live life on paper.....but in the flesh.
Yes....you are correct and I am not disputing that. What I am saying is that if you have never been to Atlanta and have never been to Philly and you read MSA data showing Atlanta (in the near future) being more populated than Philly.....you would probably discredit the metrics after visiting both places.
It's like being a better football team.....on paper, than the team you are playing but the other team beats you badly. We do not live life on paper.....but in the flesh.
Los Angeles Metro will likely not grow that much in future years. I've read many articles in previous years of negative net migration but natural growth leading to higher population.
Seems like many have moved elsewhere to places like SanBern/Riverside MSA where growth is very high year to year. Many in LA Metro have moved there for cheaper housing with some commuting to LA for work. Others have moved to other states.
But nearly every week there is an article in local news, social media and in papers about the rising cost of home buying and rentals. And it is throughout the huge area of LA County and Orange County rather than isolated areas. Even in the poorer areas like Compton, Inglewood and South LA home prices are quite high and rental prices increasing.
The new construction of housing throughout the LA Metro is nearly all luxury housing and condos. A lot of has been in Downtown LA's mid and high rise buildings but also in areas like Koreatown, Hollywood and some others. Few places are building new SFH in such places like Irvine and Santa Clarita where there is still available open land.
How I see it, LA will lose its working class and middle class population if housing remains high. It will become a richer metro over time.
LA could grow if people were not opposed to high density growth. Many want to keep their low rise commercial areas and low density single family home neighborhoods. People fear increased traffic congestion but at the same time cant imagine themselves leaving the car for public transit. Poorer people fear gentrification if new housing is built since most new housing is too expensive for their income range but at the same time, not building housing means that higher income people looking for cheaper housing are coming in any outbidding them and willing to pay higher rents. Overall it is a no win situation.
Focusing on Northeastern and Midwestern MSAs with at least 1,000,000 population...
Total population
20,320,876 - New York
9,533,040 - Chicago
6,216,589 - Washington DC
6,096,120 - Philadelphia
4,836,531 - Boston
4,313,002 - Detroit
3,600,618 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
2,808,175 - Baltimore
2,807,338 - St. Louis
2,333,367 - Pittsburgh
2,179,082 - Cincinnati
2,128,912 - Kansas City
2,078,725 - Columbus
2,058,844 - Cleveland
2,028,614 - Indianapolis
1,621,122 - Providence
1,576,236 - Milwaukee
1,210,259 - Hartford
1,136,856 - Buffalo
1,077,948 - Rochester
1,059,113 - Grand Rapids
Total increase
+754,396 - New York
+580,228 - Washington DC
+283,935 - Boston
+251,760 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
+176,724 - Columbus
+140,524 - Indianapolis
+130,427 - Philadelphia
+119,574 - Kansas City
+97,572 - Baltimore
+71,499 - Chicago
+70,173 - Grand Rapids
+64,396 - Cincinnati
+20,282 - Milwaukee
+19,912 - Providence
+19,575 - St. Louis
+16,685 - Detroit
+1,239 - Buffalo
-1,743 - Rochester
-2,139 - Hartford
-18,427 - Cleveland
-22,924 - Pittsburgh
Natural increase
+776,422 - New York
+367,709 - Chicago
+342,413 - Washington DC
+169,517 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
+130,620 - Philadelphia
+116,075 - Boston
+88,481 - Columbus
+80,787 - Kansas City
+79,857 - Indianapolis
+72,700 - Baltimore
+71,030 - Detroit
+60,171 - Cincinnati
+60,169 - St. Louis
+48,828 - Milwaukee
+44,489 - Grand Rapids
+15,223 - Cleveland
+14,379 - Rochester
+12,606 - Providence
+11,481 - Hartford
+964 - Buffalo
-24,100 - Pittsburgh
Economic increase
+237,815 - Washington DC
+167,860 - Boston
+88,243 - Columbus
+82,243 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
+60,667 - Indianapolis
+38,787 - Kansas City
+25,684 - Grand Rapids
+24,872 - Baltimore
+7,306 - Providence
+4,225 - Cincinnati
+1,176 - Pittsburgh
+275 - Buffalo
-193 - Philadelphia
-13,620 - Hartford
-16,122 - Rochester
-22,026 - New York
-28,546 - Milwaukee
-33,650 - Cleveland
-40,594 - St. Louis
-54,345 - Detroit
-296,210 - Chicago
Net domestic migration
+42,932 - Columbus
+30,772 - Indianapolis
+16,802 - Kansas City
+12,355 - Grand Rapids
+432 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
-21,259 - Cincinnati
-24,397 - Pittsburgh
-25,065 - Buffalo
-33,335 - Providence
-37,610 - Baltimore
-38,652 - Rochester
-50,575 - Milwaukee
-53,006 - Hartford
-55,710 - Boston
-64,353 - Cleveland
-66,116 - Washington DC
-67,560 - St. Louis
-141,006 - Detroit
-147,001 - Philadelphia
-479,482 - Chicago
-1,089,485 - New York
Foreign immigration
+1,067,992 - New York
+301,884 - Washington DC
+226,725 - Boston
+183,162 - Chicago
+149,902 - Philadelphia
+86,366 - Detroit
+83,552 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
+64,137 - Baltimore
+45,744 - Columbus
+41,325 - Providence
+39,324 - Hartford
+31,236 - Cleveland
+30,329 - Indianapolis
+27,666 - St. Louis
+27,300 - Pittsburgh
+26,502 - Cincinnati
+26,037 - Buffalo
+23,098 - Kansas City
+22,718 - Rochester
+22,616 - Milwaukee
+13,800 - Grand Rapids
What's going on in Horry County, SC aka Myrtle Beach is insane. 11,828 increase, which is more than
- every Atlanta county except the top 2
- every Charlotte county except Mecklenberg
- every New York borough
- every Nashville county
- Jacksonville
- Denver
- every DC county
- 1,000 less than Los Angeles County
and so on.
Pretty amazing considering Horry is only 333,000 people.
It could be that county's 1,134 sq/miles of land. I do believe it's the largest county in the Carolinas by land area.
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