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The native white populations in the New York and Atlanta areas are culturally opposite. One is considerably more " White Ethnic " than " Old Stock " while the other is considerably more " Old Stock " than " White Ethnic " traditionally. That's not to mention that the native black populations of the two areas are linguistically opposite.
If you're going to call Atlanta the center of the South .... then NYC of course gets the Northeast and Chicago the Midwest and arguably .... LA
Miami in the South though. Still has the World recognition over a Atlanta.
I never felt Chicago envy's NYC.... but for its skyscraper core offerings... clearly has no reason there to. Its housing stock differs from NYC. It merely sees it has a piece of the esteem today too. But knows its size will never rival NYC or quantities of offerings.
Chicago clearly has its own niche today and re-establishing it ... Atlanta is still evolving one its share of growing pains.
I agree DC today and basically Maryland .... are not the South today.
NY is more than the center of the northeast. NY is the alpha city in the country. Atlanta is the alpha city in the South.
Miami is not the center of anyone’s South, except maybe South America (kidding of course).
Chicago envying NY was a jab at their Second City moniker that they’ve both cherished and loathed, both accepted and mocked.
The white populations in the New York and Atlanta areas are culturally opposite. One is considerably more " White Ethnic " than " Old Stock " while the other is considerably more " Old Stock " than " White Ethnic " traditionally.
As usual, your agenda is showing - and you would be wrong on this. It's 2018, not 1968.
Surprisingly, you didn't reference Jeff Foxworthy again.
DC is considered a defacto state, and Maryland and Delaware are southern states, that doesn't change just because they don't serve sweet tea, Montana is a western , but they don't make movies, porn or computer chips
What in the world. Western states are more than California. And I don’t even know what to say about Delaware.
As usual, your agenda is showing - and you would be wrong on this. It's 2018, not 1968.
Surprisingly, you didn't reference Jeff Foxworthy again.
Yet, you seem to have a problem with documented facts, and the bottom line is, that in regards to people and culture, the New York and Atlanta areas were nothing alike yesterday, and still are nothing alike today.
NY is more than the center of the northeast. NY is the alpha city in the country. Atlanta is the alpha city in the South.
Miami is not the center of anyone’s South, except maybe South America (kidding of course).
Chicago envying NY was a jab at their Second City moniker that they’ve both cherished and loathed, both accepted and mocked.
Second City is always accepted as it has two connections in origin. One assumed second to NYC (or third to LA especially by population). The other meaning is claimed as a "New Second City" rose from its ashes after its Great Fire of 1871. The area covered by Chicago's Greater Core area today .... was destroyed.
The city has had over a century to get over Mighty NYC outgrew it and became the "World's City". But as Chicago's core has reemerged in recognition and status today .... that they do want recognized. No longer is it seen as merely flyover and has its own reign on the Skyscraper and its evolution to examples and declared having the first one.
In actual Global rankings .... Atlanta isn't Alpha but Chicago is. Of course I do know you merely meant the Premier city of the South. Chicago is in the Midwest.
Miami and Florida get argued still a Southern State. Despite South Florida not true Southern by all the Northern migrations and from Caribbean to South American Nations. Don't dare declare it ain't really a Southern State anymore for region vs region threads.
But clearly they would reject Miami to represent the South no matter how Big it got. It's still in their territory no one should say otherwise.
I was merely commenting on the Dallas-Houston “rivalry” as akin to the Chicago-NY “rivalry”. Whether they are real rivals or not is besides the point. The comparison works either way.
And yes, Chicago is in the Midwest. If this thread was trying to find the NY of the Midwest, Chicago would be the obvious choice. Alas the thread was not about the Midwest, and I did not choose Chicago for my comparison.
Second City is always accepted as it has two connections in origin. One assumed second to NYC (or third to LA especially by population). The other meaning is claimed as a "New Second City" rose from its ashes after its Great Fire of 1871. The area covered by Chicago's Greater Core area today .... was destroyed.
The city has had over a century to get over Mighty NYC outgrew it and became the "World's City". But as Chicago's core has reemerged in recognition and status today .... that they do want recognized. No longer is it seen as merely flyover and has its own reign on the Skyscraper and its evolution to examples and declared having the first one.
In actual Global rankings .... Atlanta isn't Alpha but Chicago is. Of course I do know you merely meant the Premier city of the South. Chicago is in the Midwest.
Miami and Florida get argued still a Southern State. Despite South Florida not true Southern by all the Northern migrations and from Caribbean to South American Nations. Don't dare declare it ain't really a Southern State anymore for region vs region threads.
But clearly they would reject Miami to represent the South no matter how Big it got. It's still in their territory no one should say otherwise.
South Florida and Miami should be considered part of the caribbean, not the south
The alpha city of the South? Does this include the Texas cities and Florida?
The problem with Texas’ dual-alpha cities is that they are seen as distinctly Texan in the eyes of most Southerners. Atlanta is the alpha dog all other Southern cities look towards. Charlotte isn’t the only one that compares everything it does to Atlanta.
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